N.Y. state lawmakers reject gay-marriage bill (Congress, border, compared)
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Well, then as of today, I'd say New York should be considered a little more conservative than it was yesterday.
It always has been. Keep in mind, also that this was not voted on by the people of New York. Having said that, and I can only speak for the city and not the rest of the state (which is vastly different than NYC), not everyone who speaks liberally acts liberally.
I will leave my opinions on this issue out of this and just say that at least in NYC, there is a kind of bully mentality that makes people in groups "out-liberal" each other. It's part of the networking thing that people here do when they have to worry about keeping up with everyone else. When larger groups break down and you start talking to people as individuals, you find that a lot of the time people aren't as passionate about the issues, and may not even take the same side of the issues that they took in the larger group.
Again, I am not going to bring my own opinions on this issue into this. I don't post on this forum enough these days to stick around and argue with people, and I don't mean any disrespect to anyone when I say that. All I am saying is, if and when the people of New York actually get to vote on this, it's not a sure thing for gay marriage. For all of the ultra-liberal citizens around here, and there are many, there are just as many who are just keeping up appearances. There is a lot more conservatism here than people might think.
For all of the ultra-liberal citizens around here, and there are many, there are just as many who are just keeping up appearances. There is a lot more conservatism here than people might think.
Absolutely. And that's why I pointed out the survey from Gallup. New York is a moderate state, not a liberal one.
In the U.S., we have conservative states and we have moderate states. We have no liberal states, unless you count Washington, D.C. There's not one state in the union where liberals outnumber moderates or conservatives.
The good news (for those who support same-sex marriage) is that this is just a technicality, really. New York already recognizes same-sex marriages that are performed in other states.
Absolutely. And that's why I pointed out the survey from Gallup. New York is a moderate state, not a liberal one.
In the U.S., we have conservative states and we have moderate states. We have no liberal states, unless you count Washington, D.C. There's not one state in the union where liberals outnumber moderates or conservatives.
Some of the 08 exit polls show something a bit different. Also the term moderate varies by state. For example someone who identifies themselves as a moderate in NY, Massachusetts or Vermont is likely well to the left of someone who describes themselves as a moderate in Mississippi, Alabama or Louisiana.
Some of the 08 exit polls show something a bit different. Also the term moderate varies by state. For example someone who identifies themselves as a moderate in NY, Massachusetts or Vermont is likely well to the left of someone who describes themselves as a moderate in Mississippi, Alabama or Louisiana.
Oh, I know, but that's the problem with these terms. Some conservatives will call a state liberal simply for electing a Democrat. It's a tactic that they've successfully used for many years: Call anyone who votes for Democrats a "liberal" in an attempt to marginalize them and make them seem like they're out of the mainstream.
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