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Old 12-03-2009, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I know I will catch a lot of flak for this, but the majority of women I knew in the military used that gender flag to get special treatment, to gain favors, to get excused from doing "the dirty jobs", and pretty much, whenever things got tough they were quick to find a way to use their gender to get preferential treatment.

I'm not excusing rape, that is never acceptable behavior. As to sexual harassment, many women used the most benign circumstances to claim sexual harassment where none existed.
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Old 12-03-2009, 01:52 PM
 
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Just males.....don't want to know if they are gay.
women should have their own army, at least if they fought in a war they wouldn't go around raping women and children. They wouldn't let their libido get in the way of doing their job. Which is something men find impossible to do.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:05 PM
 
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Rape in the U.S. military -- latimes.com

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Rape in the U.S. military

How a fraternal culture and a habit of blaming the victim leave sexual violence unexamined and unpunished.

Anne K. Ream's recent Op-Ed sheds much needed light on how the U.S. military continues to trivialize rape and sexual assault committed by members of the armed forces.Moderator cut: copyright violation

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Old 12-03-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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When you read a story like you posted, is it any wonder why many people are against the idea of confusing the issue even more by suggesting gays, lesbians and bisexuals to serve openly?
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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I know I will catch a lot of flak for this, but the majority of women I knew in the military used that gender flag to get special treatment, to gain favors, to get excused from doing "the dirty jobs", and pretty much, whenever things got tough they were quick to find a way to use their gender to get preferential treatment.

I'm not excusing rape, that is never acceptable behavior. As to sexual harassment, many women used the most benign circumstances to claim sexual harassment where none existed.
I've worked in male dominated fields for many years (currently, I'm the only female on the maintenance team at my current job) and yes, sexual harassment is rampant wherever there are more men than women.

Yes, I have seen women first hand exaggerate sexual harassment or twist situations that are completely harmless (ie had NOTHING to do with either sexual or harassment) to get pity, transfers (this happened all the time at my last job) etc etc and I find it disgusting.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:21 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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I know I will catch a lot of flak for this, but the majority of women I knew in the military used that gender flag to get special treatment, to gain favors, to get excused from doing "the dirty jobs", and pretty much, whenever things got tough they were quick to find a way to use their gender to get preferential treatment.

I'm not excusing rape, that is never acceptable behavior. As to sexual harassment, many women used the most benign circumstances to claim sexual harassment where none existed.
You're not going to catch any flack from me. I saw alot of women in the military milking the system, getting off the dirty jobs (PMS, morning sickness, whatever) and all sorts of tripe. Then if you had a gung ho female who WASN'T like that and wanted to actually learn things and work then you were public enemy number one among the other females. Been there, done that.

My current job site is male dominated, and I must say, it is the best place I've ever worked. Men are task oriented and goal focused. They're not too concerned with gossip and stupid hate games. I am only 1 of 3 females at my site and I love not having a bunch of naggy, whiney, gossipy women around.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I've never been an advocate for men and women serving together. How can you put men and women together for long periods of time, surrounded by the shadow of "I may die any day" , and not expect attraction. Whether it be sexual assault or mutual attraction???

They say that impending doom heightens sexual urge......that whole "end of the world" phenomenon.
Rape has nothing to do with attraction.
I'm dumbfounded that you choose not to get it.

I've been in the military, I was in the same situation.
My response was never to rape anyone.

The fact that you dismiss it is akin to agreeing with it.
You seem to agree with the "turn a blind eye" to the problem.

Hopefully neither you nor anyone you every know will be raped.
Unfortunately, that's unlikely.

Here's some statistics and other resources: Statistics | RAINN | Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network

Your next post indicated that you think it's okay for US service members (and contractors) to rape.
Nice.
Consider yourself twitted.
I'm sickened by your posts.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Does anyone have anything to say, or any of their own thoughts on this subject or are all of your thoughts encapsulated by youtube videos?
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Earth
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When you read a story like you posted, is it any wonder why many people are against the idea of confusing the issue even more by suggesting gays, lesbians and bisexuals to serve openly?
Please.
You do know that most military members don't care about gays serving openly.
You're the one confusing the issue and apologizing for the rapists.
I guess you do think it's okay to mistreat other humans.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Earth
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You're not going to catch any flack from me. I saw alot of women in the military milking the system, getting off the dirty jobs (PMS, morning sickness, whatever) and all sorts of tripe. Then if you had a gung ho female who WASN'T like that and wanted to actually learn things and work then you were public enemy number one among the other females. Been there, done that.

My current job site is male dominated, and I must say, it is the best place I've ever worked. Men are task oriented and goal focused. They're not too concerned with gossip and stupid hate games. I am only 1 of 3 females at my site and I love not having a bunch of naggy, whiney, gossipy women around.
Generalize much?
Are you saying that you understand or agree with rape in the military?
And the cover-up that follows?
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