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Old 08-27-2012, 07:00 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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At least you admit that a class of Americans should be protected from economic reality at the expense of regular Americans.
Nope you are putting words in my mouth to create your fake narrative.
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Tacoma, WA
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You want the lowest quality government workers providing all the functions that keep America going.
No, Joe Q Public wants skilled, helpful government workers. And he'd better not have to stand in line more than 10 minutes. However, said government workers only deserve to make minimum wage, and heaven forbid they get a retirement plan and vacation/sick leave.
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:12 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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You begrudge the workers for receiving a 2 per cent increase?
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:44 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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No, Joe Q Public wants skilled, helpful government workers. And he'd better not have to stand in line more than 10 minutes. However, said government workers only deserve to make minimum wage, and heaven forbid they get a retirement plan and vacation/sick leave.
Quite the predicament we are in....
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:36 AM
 
Location: North America
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Nope you are putting words in my mouth to create your fake narrative.
No fake narrative needed. You've made yourself clear. You want Americans to look the other way when it comes to federal employee waste.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:44 AM
 
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Trying to figure out what the problem is.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:51 AM
 
Location: North America
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Notice what's going on. The upper-class, that actually is insulated from economic reality at the expense of regular Americans, is trying to divide middle-class private sector workers and middle-class public sector workers.

When the middle-class is divided, the ruling class gets its way while the middle-class fights among itself.

Private sector workers live among side public sector workers and send their children to the same schools. They should both be working together to recover the lost benefits and pensions that were once commonplace in America. Instead, we now have a race to the bottom. Instead of private sector workers demanding better benefits they instead demand that public sector workers be stripped of theirs. All this does is benefit the corporate owners.
This isn't true. The reality is...

This isn't Victorian England. Most American "upper-class" started as "working-class" but took a chance and worked hard to build a business. Or they started as "middle-class" and studied hard in school and worked hard to build a career.

The myth the left tries to perpetrate is that Americans are either one of the "1%" (Paris Hilton sipping fine wine while lying back on her yacht that she was given when she was 16 as she and her friends laugh at the poor dockworkers) or the "99%" (noble, hard-working abused "real people" just trying to feed their kids but struggling because the evil rich folks literally are trying to strip every "real person" of every single right, benefit or opportunity to raise their family).

I'll never understand why the left hates success and wealth but celebrates mediocrity, decay, entitlement and inefficiency.

How can these people hold Cuba and Greece up as shining examples that America should aspire to?

And the idea that a person who has just lost his job should be hit with a tax increase so that public workers can continue to receive automatic pay increases (without the requirement of automatic quality of service increases for the public, of course) is particularly gross.

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Old 08-28-2012, 01:44 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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No fake narrative needed. You've made yourself clear. You want Americans to look the other way when it comes to federal employee waste.
And you want them to suffer like everyone else... Even though you've been shown multiple times how much less they earn... and you have to keep stretching the goal posts in order for your narrative to even begin to match the reality you've made up. No matter they are taxpayers like you and me and put their pants on one leg at a time.... Oh well....

But sure. We certainly couldn't reduce federal waste by proposing fixes to the biggest contributers of our debt, like our defense, healthcare, and social security.... But sure.... keep thinking it's those terrible federal employees.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:28 AM
 
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This isn't true. The reality is...

This isn't Victorian England. Most American "upper-class" started as "working-class" but took a chance and worked hard to build a business. Or they started as "middle-class" and studied hard in school and worked hard to build a career.

The myth the left tries to perpetrate is that Americans are either one of the "1%" (Paris Hilton sipping fine wine while lying back on her yacht that she was given when she was 16 as she and her friends laugh at the poor dockworkers) or the "99%" (noble, hard-working abused "real people" just trying to feed their kids but struggling because the evil rich folks literally are trying to strip every "real person" of every single right, benefit or opportunity to raise their family).

I'll never understand why the left hates success and wealth but celebrates mediocrity, decay, entitlement and inefficiency.

How can these people hold Cuba and Greece up as shining examples that America should aspire to?

And the idea that a person who has just lost his job should be hit with a tax increase so that public workers can continue to receive automatic pay increases (without the requirement of automatic quality of service increases for the public, of course) is particularly gross.
Where is the outrage for white collar,higher echelon corporate executives pay in the last few years rising by double digit percentages..............while most middle class pay stagnates?

you will never convince me that some guy who just happened to play golf with a millionaire,or dates his daughter is worth some million dollar salary...............
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:08 AM
 
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When I see a worker earning better wages and benefits than myself,my thoughts are to see what I can do to improve my situation,not tear them down. Envy is one of the seven deadly sins.

Seven deadly sins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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