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Though the citations are from old court cases, they had standing up till 1935 - the start of national socialism.
The point is that no one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another - that is slavery. Calling it socialism doesn't change the nature of the beast. And having the government do the stealing doesn't make it moral or just.
Of course, 'compulsory' socialism is based on 'voluntary' participating in FICA / SocSec. You should know that there is NO LAW compelling Americans to participate and NO LAW punishing Americans that do not. It is 100% Voluntary - Voluntary Servitude.
Sadly, millions of Americans BELIEVE that such a law compels them to join up before they are "allowed" to work in their own country.
You have to ask yourself - if Socialism is so great, why do they need FRAUD to impose it?
So you shouldn't have to pay for any kids you have, right?
So you shouldn't have to pay for any kids you have, right?
Do you mean possess, when you say "have", or do you mean when someone else has them?
From the standpoint of the common law, if you "have" the child, you pay for it. If someone else "has" your child, THEY pay for it.
Under national socialism (voluntary servitude), the STATE "owns" the children, and "everyone" has to pay for them. (As determined by rules and regulations based on "our consent".)
For a snippet of the past, read "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer", and note what the Town Fathers did about Huckleberry Finn. Huck was a truant and wild child. As long as the father (a drunkard) lived, the government was powerless. Because the father absolutely owned his child and the government could not trespass upon his rights. (Trespass was and is still a serious offense - and could result in an untimely death.)
Today, under "benevolent" national socialism, any court could intervene, and grant custody to whomever. In fact, that's why "spanking" is prohibited in many jurisdictions - parents aren't allowed to "damage" the State's interest in the future Socialist.
Do you wonder if the erosion of marriage, rise in single parent households, and juvenile delinquency have any basis in the "glorious" Socialist Revolution of 1935?
If you shouldn't have to labor for the benefit of another, let the kids get jobs and fend for themselves--or maybe there are cases when a person should be taking care of another?
The erosion of the family unit began in the late 60's--when "free love" and "do your own thing" flourished.
I think all that came with the giant welfare system. Women expect to be supported and rewarded for having children outside of marriage, either the government pays them by confiscating the incomes of working people, or the father of their child pays them.
Now that the liberals have decided that anyone is entitled to the wages of the responsible, that is the situation. Why marry? The government will guarantee you a comfortable lifestyle, compliments of the hard working taxpayers.
At least by forcing child support onto the sperm donor, there is some chance the child will know his father. And really why should the taxpayers pay for someone else's pleasure.
Very well said. This is a growing problem that is indirectly supporting overpopulation in the USA.
Here is the scenario.
My friend's girlfriend just asked him she wants to have his baby and she is willing to "not claim for child" even if they break up in the future. She is giving him "her word." He is really considering doing it. I advice him not to do it. I just think this could back fire on him once she realises what a having a baby really means (and costs). I adviced him to seek legal help and see if there is actually a legal contract that will remove the right of the mother to actually apply for child support.
What do you think?
You can make a contract for anything. My thoughts are that if this woman took the baby's father to court at some point in time that the contract would be unenforceable. A judge is going to rule on what is best for the child and that WILL be child support, you can bet on it.
If this woman wants to have a baby, then she needs to go to a sperm bank. A man would be a fool to think that he will not have to pay for this arrangement down the line, contract or no contract. He needs to tell her to move on down the line. And not to have sex with her unless HE is in charge of the birth control, because this sounds like a potential "oops" if ever there was one.
Eighteen years is a long time to support someone. Whatever this woman's got, it better be gold-plated, otherwise, he would do well to find someone else who does not feel the need to breed.
Another update.
She researched how much it would cost to do this by invitro (not sure of the name) fertilization in a Monterrey Hospital (Mexico) and told my friend it would cost her about $2,500 for the procedure, plus $500 per fertilized egg and some extras for staying overnight. He agreed to pitch in with the money despite me telling him about some of the info I got from this thread!
Somebody's lying and/or scamming. Why does she need in vitro? She wouldn't unless she is infertile and that was never mentioned. Tell your friend that in vitro fertilization is quite a different scenario than artificial insemination! Do some simple research on the procedure.
Somebody's lying and/or scamming. Why does she need in vitro? She wouldn't unless she is infertile and that was never mentioned. Tell your friend that in vitro fertilization is quite a different scenario than artificial insemination! Do some simple research on the procedure.
And Mexico? REALLY?
LoL, that is what she told him. I just stopped asking him questions about that issue. No point trying to help him. He is beyond irrational.
What if the woman died and her child was without a parent? Wouldn't he then be sucked in to raising a child he didn't want?
I second the motion...no way.
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