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Please. The anti-gay movements were funded by the fundamentalist churches in those states, and religion is one of the only things that influences how people vote against gays. Where else could it come from? How else could it be handed down from generation to generation?
From The NYT regarding NY's veto:
"Certainly this is an emotional issue and an important issue for many New Yorkers,” said Senator Tom Libous, the deputy Republican leader. “I just don’t think the majority care too much about it at this time because they’re out of work, they want to see the state reduce spending, and they are having a hard time making ends meet. And I don’t mean to sound callous, but that’s true.”
I agree that for most non homosexuals, its an issue that really isn't a major concern for them right now. In terms of religious leaders having control over the politicians, in NY that is pretty laughable. Now if you had said UNION leaders having control, that is where the money is so I'd agree with that statement.
"Certainly this is an emotional issue and an important issue for many New Yorkers,” said Senator Tom Libous, the deputy Republican leader. “I just don’t think the majority care too much about it at this time because they’re out of work, they want to see the state reduce spending, and they are having a hard time making ends meet. And I don’t mean to sound callous, but that’s true.”
I agree that for most non homosexuals, its an issue that really isn't a major concern for them right now. In terms of religious leaders having control over the politicians, in NY that is pretty laughable. Now if you had said UNION leaders having control, that is where the money is so I'd agree with that statement.
Religion constitutes the backbone of anti-gay sentiment. That you would try to deny its culpability is what is laughable. I never said religious leaders have control over politicians, although I certainly don't deny the possibility of their involvement, like any constituent sector.
Religion constitutes the backbone of anti-gay sentiment. That you would try to deny its culpability is what is laughable. I never said religious leaders have control over politicians, although I certainly don't deny the possibility of their involvement, like any constituent sector.
I'm not so sure. I think some of the anti gay feeling is due to the repulsion of the act of homosexuality. People are wired differently. What excites one, turns off another. People have long been against anything out of their "norm" ie race.
Religion doesn't necessarily have to play a role in that feeling of repulsion. Many religious organizations came out in favor of gay rights. I think you are overgeneralizing about religions in this cirumstance. I believe the Anglican church has ordained openly gay bishops.
I'm not so sure. I think some of the anti gay feeling is due to the repulsion of the act of homosexuality. People are wired differently. What excites one, turns off another. People have long been against anything out of their "norm" ie race.
Religion doesn't necessarily have to play a role in that feeling of repulsion. Many religious organizations came out in favor of gay rights. I think you are overgeneralizing about religions in this cirumstance. I believe the Anglican church has ordained openly gay bishops.
Repulsion of the act of homosexuality? I am gay, so, by the logical standard that you are applying, shouldn't I be repulsed by heterosexuality because I'm wired differently?
Repulsion of the act of homosexuality? I am gay, so, by the logical standard that you are applying, shouldn't I be repulsed by heterosexuality because I'm wired differently?
Yes. I think a homosexual would be repulsed or at least turned off by the act of heterosexuality otherwise you'd be hetero.
My mother had an answer for this years ago when a neighbor asked her the same question.
She said, "You may end up with some false people in church, but then if you don't go to church, you will probably spend eternity with all of the false people." I thought that was a very good point.
I'm going to have to disagree. I still consider myself Christian, though I haven't been to church (except for the occasional wedding or funeral) in nearly thirty years. It is not church attendance that makes one Christian; it is the belief in God and Christ.
I'm going to have to disagree. I still consider myself Christian, though I haven't been to church (except for the occasional wedding or funeral) in nearly thirty years. It is not church attendance that makes one Christian; it is the belief in God and Christ.
Thank you for rescuing the thread from attempted hijacking.
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