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Old 12-23-2009, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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I believe Bush did greater harm than any other president we've ever had.
I don't recall Bush giving N. Korea nuclear material (for "energy" purposes) or changing the way the FBI could obtain information from informants.
I do remember a certain president from the '90s doing that, though.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:30 AM
 
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Yeah, any care in the field is going to be like that. My point is that government run healthcare is not the boogeyman that some people think it is.

Maybe they can run the New Government Health Care plan as well as they do the DMV. I can just see the long lines now waiting to see a doctor. Do we have enough doctors for an extra 30 million people?
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:33 AM
 
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Tell that to a canadian or an englishmen...
LOL! I work with three Canadians. They laugh at all the idiot Americans who scream the sky is falling. One co-worker even wrote a letter to the editor in response to an anti-healthcare letter that was full of lies about Canada's system. That co-worker's son, who still lives in Vancouver, pays $46 per month for his family of three. They're all healthy. They all get care. Don't believe the hysteria coming from the extreme right.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:38 AM
 
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LOL! I work with three Canadians. They laugh at all the idiot Americans who scream the sky is falling. One co-worker even wrote a letter to the editor in response to an anti-healthcare letter that was full of lies about Canada's system. That co-worker's son, who still lives in Vancouver, pays $46 per month for his family of three. They're all healthy. They all get care. Don't believe the hysteria coming from the extreme right.

Actually I hear Canadian Healthcare works great for healthy young Canadians...The problems begin if a person gets a serious illness.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Terra firma
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The VA hospital system works just fine. So does the military's medical system. Do you use the VA when you get sick or injured? Every veteran I know does. I haven't heard any complaints, though our VA hospital is first class, better than many from what I hear.

I can back you up on this one. I'm an Army vet and I use the VA all the time. You sometimes hear a lot of BS about VA hospitals being second rate, but that has not been my experience.

The VA that we have here in Dallas, TX is a truly state of the art medical facility. They are completely professional. I have never had a bad experience there.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:45 AM
 
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Actually I hear Canadian Healthcare works great for healthy young Canadians...The problems begin if a person gets a serious illness.
Who do you hear this from? Because I hear nothing of the sort from the Canadians I work with. Serious illnesses and emergencies are attended to immediately. Routine care and tests have a little longer wait time than what's typical here, but it's not so long as to endanger anyone's health. The people I work with have no agenda, which is why I'll believe them before I'll believe some fear-mongering talking head.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:49 AM
 
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I can back you up on this one. I'm an Army vet and I use the VA all the time. You sometimes hear a lot of BS about VA hospitals being second rate, but that has not been my experience.

The VA that we have here in Dallas, TX is a truly state of the art medical facility. They are completely professional. I have never had a bad experience there.
Yeah, there's a lot of BS going around.

It's real simple, but people are so entrenched in their partisan cheerleading that they miss the obvious:

If there were serious problems with VA care, we'd already know about it. The media would be all over it. The same holds true with other country's systems. If people were dying in those countries for lack of care, the media would have informed us of this long ago.
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:19 AM
 
Location: The Midst of Insanity
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I can back you up on this one. I'm an Army vet and I use the VA all the time. You sometimes hear a lot of BS about VA hospitals being second rate, but that has not been my experience.

The VA that we have here in Dallas, TX is a truly state of the art medical facility. They are completely professional. I have never had a bad experience there.
I think they vary. The VA in Detroit isn't so nice.
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:02 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Could Obama Be the Beginning of our downfall?
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I ask this because of our steady decline as a world power.

At the very least you answered your own question.
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:19 AM
 
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Yeah, Palin. Hah.

I believe Bush did greater harm than any other president we've ever had.
At least Bush never rammed anything through like the Democrats. Even the wars that were started had FULL, bi-partisan support (at the beginning).

The new administration could not care less about what the public thinks.
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