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View Poll Results: Are you happy that the Senate has passed the health care bill?
Yes 19 19.79%
No 65 67.71%
Not sure 12 12.50%
Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-24-2009, 06:17 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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the senate bill will screw the middleclass, ie the workingclass, especially union workers will good plans (what our lovely leaders are now calling cadilac plans)
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Old 12-24-2009, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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It will help a great number of people. Yes, it will help the insurance companies get new customers. But there is a little caveat some people are missing in this. Those Ins. Cos. that participate in the exchange program will be required to establish rates where 80-85% of premiums collected must be spent on direct expenditures on care of the policy holders. In other words, those companies, if they want to be in the exchange program, will no longer be able to take 30% or more off the top.
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Old 12-24-2009, 06:37 AM
 
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This bill became far too complicated with too mny loopholes, too many bribes, and too much selling out to insurance companies and big pharma.

What actaully was accomplished, dictating what percentage of premium must be spent on patient care could have been done and elimination of pre existing conditions could have been done without all of the other pork.
Remember that premium RATES haven't been contained, so affordability will still be an issue for many people despite this monstrosity of a bill.
Also, states will have further budget issues to the mandatory placement of more people on Mediaid (unless of course you are Nebraska)
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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This bill became far too complicated with too mny loopholes, too many bribes, and too much selling out to insurance companies and big pharma.

What actually was accomplished, dictating what percentage of premium must be spent on patient care could have been done and elimination of pre existing conditions could have been done without all of the other pork.
Remember that premium RATES haven't been contained, so affordability will still be an issue for many people despite this monstrosity of a bill.
Also, states will have further budget issues to the mandatory placement of more people on Mediaid (unless of course you are Nebraska)

I have read the bill (as much as I could take) and I think whatever comes out as a compromise between the House and Senate will be so flawed that it will do little good for the people that need it. I hate to say it but the insurance companies will make the best of it and take advantage of the loopholes to their advantage. It will insure some people, punish many who have chosen not to get insurance because they can't afford it and create another group of taxes that will hurt our fragile economy.

This is a win for the insurance companies, a few states but that is about it. Sad that this is about the best the Democrat party could do having all the control needed to so whatever they wanted to do. It just proves once again that they all should be voted out until there are no incumbents left.

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Old 12-24-2009, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Florida
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they did no such thing...that bill had NOTHING to do with health CARE. insurance is not care
Tell that to the hospital next time they ask for your insurance card.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:16 AM
 
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That has always been the case.

I don't usually support such measures, but it takes a weight off my shoulders knowing that I won't have to sell the house and 401K to pay for medical bills when the insurcnace cap is reached. I also like the removal of pre-existing conditions clause and the insurance exchange idea.

Now that the bill has passed and if they pass it again in the house, I think people will be happy with it once the misinfo and anti-HC bill propaganda melts away and people realize what the bill does for people and businesses.
I like the part I bolded too, but does the bill keep the insurance companies from charging you as much as they want for it?
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:18 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Tell that to the hospital next time they ask for your insurance card.
my hospital asks who the "responsible party" is

personal responsibility is the key
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I like the part I bolded too, but does the bill keep the insurance companies from charging you as much as they want for it?
I think the insurance exchange will boost competition, which will result in more options and better and cheaper plans, and you'll be able to find good deals with pre-existing conditions.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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my hospital asks who the "responsible party" is

personal responsibility is the key
I see. Well, mine just asks for the insurance card. As a matter of fact I know they all do

Of course the 'personal responsibility' requirement will be satisfied with this bill, because now everyone will be responsible for having insurance and can't just walk into ER to demand free service.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:24 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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I like the part I bolded too, but does the bill keep the insurance companies from charging you as much as they want for it?
nope.....

its just like car INSURANCE,,, you have a lot of tickets/accidents....and you will pay through the nose...or get dropped
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