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Old 12-24-2009, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I read this piece after reading much of this stuff on this forum this afternoon. It seems that either the progs here read it before I did or all of them agree about what the recently passed Senate bill provides. I wonder if the lobbyists who were in Dirty Harry's office helping him with that bill the last couple of weeks were all from the insurance industry. Sure sounds like it.

Historic Expansion of Health Insurance Coverage Cedes Control to Medical/Insurance Industries - Consumer Watchdog (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/patients/articles/?storyId=31921 - broken link)
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Old 12-24-2009, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I read this piece after reading much of this stuff on this forum this afternoon. It seems that either the progs here read it before I did or all of them agree about what the recently passed Senate bill provides. I wonder if the lobbyists who were in Dirty Harry's office helping him with that bill the last couple of weeks were all from the insurance industry. Sure sounds like it.

Historic Expansion of Health Insurance Coverage Cedes Control to Medical/Insurance Industries - Consumer Watchdog (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/patients/articles/?storyId=31921 - broken link)
It is a horrible bill. Worse than anything ever.
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Old 12-24-2009, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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It is a horrible bill. Worse than anything ever.
It could be just what you say. It did cost Reid a pile of money to get it passed. It has caused me to wonder just how many lobbyists were in his office with him re-writing this thing over and over.
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Old 12-24-2009, 10:53 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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There are only 2 things in the entire bill that do any good.

Other than that, all the bad outweighs that.
It is bad in so many ways.
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Old 12-25-2009, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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The public option would have made a huge difference. The House has it in their bill, and from what I have read, 59 Senators favor the public option. All it would take is one brave Republican Senator, someone who favors the people and the value of competition rather than coming down as always on the side of big business, to negate the vote of Lieberman.
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Old 12-25-2009, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I read this piece after reading much of this stuff on this forum this afternoon. It seems that either the progs here read it before I did or all of them agree about what the recently passed Senate bill provides. I wonder if the lobbyists who were in Dirty Harry's office helping him with that bill the last couple of weeks were all from the insurance industry. Sure sounds like it.

Historic Expansion of Health Insurance Coverage Cedes Control to Medical/Insurance Industries - Consumer Watchdog (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/patients/articles/?storyId=31921 - broken link)

What goes in is rarely what comes out, when you have to negotiate for votes, (wonder why few cared about how or why on the way things are done before 2oo9?) but, the blame has to be put on all, as in partisan politics the lobbyists work both sides of the aisle, with many congressional aides receiving sweet deals when they leave the service of their representative, to get them to either say yes or no, or add this or that into the bill.

If you don't condemn the whole process (used by both parties), no matter which way the votes go, you support the process and the outcome, good or bad.

What we (as progressives) got isn't what most of us wanted, but the GOP got exactly what they asked for (and many were paid for) and the system allows. A bad policy created by BOTH parties.

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Old 12-25-2009, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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It seems that either the progs here read it before I did or all of them agree about what the recently passed Senate bill provides. I wonder if the lobbyists who were in Dirty Harry's office helping him with that bill the last couple of weeks were all from the insurance industry. Sure sounds like it.

Historic Expansion of Health Insurance Coverage Cedes Control to Medical/Insurance Industries - Consumer Watchdog (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/patients/articles/?storyId=31921 - broken link)
I've been posting about this stuff all along. The woman who actually wrote the bill is a former insurance company executive. She was hired as an aide just to write the bill.
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Do they ever think of the consequences of the bills that they pass?With the beni's not kicking in until 2013 what do you think will happen to the rates that the insurance companies charge?The rates are of course going to rise more and thus leaving more people with out coverage.
Even with the gvt subsidy there will be millions and millions that still will not be able to afford health insurance and will be saddled with the $750 fine.Same with the employer,with the rising cost they will be unable to provide coverage and will kick the employees into the exchanges.
I know if in 2013 that the employer I work for does not provide health insurance I will be paying the $750 fine,no way around it since the IRS will be collecting.
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Old 12-25-2009, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The public option would have made a huge difference. The House has it in their bill, and from what I have read, 59 Senators favor the public option. All it would take is one brave Republican Senator, someone who favors the people and the value of competition rather than coming down as always on the side of big business, to negate the vote of Lieberman.
With 160 million unaffected by the bill and that it will slow the rising costs somewhat, it will take longer to get there. But it is inevitable. More and more of the population will start clamoring for it when costs get too painful. The only thing that could alter that, is a massive shift toward Prevention.
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Old 12-25-2009, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This is a major win for both insurance and big pharma. Guaranteed income, guaranteed revenue and guaranteed industry security. No generics for 12 years people..12 years instead of the usual 4-5.

This is what you wanted..now you got it.
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