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Old 12-25-2009, 08:52 PM
 
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Didn't see any stories about it. If not, how long since a President didn't attend Christmas services?
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Obama is muslim = close this thread
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Obama is muslim
So what if he were. Would that be a problem?
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:55 PM
 
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Most presidents didn't have FAUX News trying to dig up dirt on their preachers just to smear them....

Nothing 'faux' about Wright -- but there was a lot foul about him and his views.
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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I knew quite a few 35 to 45 that wouldn't vote for either one.

Change is fine, but my experience was such that said youngsters, 18 to 25 wanted the change but weren't interested in doing anything short of playing Xbox to achieve it.

McCain was a ruse, and I firmly believe that Palin lost him the rest of his already very thin chance at winning.

Obama, on the otherhand, wasn't much better .. His message was much to redundant and vague to be taken very seriously at all.

Exit polls mean squat .. in that they can be taken to mean anything anyone with and agenda wants them to mean .. and, they are usually taken from the smallest measure of people, voting only in selected districts .. exit polss are an epic fail for any side that tries to use them after the fact.
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:59 PM
 
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I knew quite a few 35 to 45 that wouldn't vote for either one.

Change is fine, but my experience was such that said youngsters, 18 to 25 wanted the change but weren't interested in doing anything short of playing Xbox to achieve it.

McCain was a ruse, and I firmly believe that Palin lost him the rest of his already very thin chance at winning.

Obama, on the otherhand, wasn't much better .. His message was much to redundant and vague to be taken very seriously at all.

Exit polls mean squat .. in that they can be taken to mean anything anyone with and agenda wants them to mean .. and, they are usually taken from the smallest measure of people, voting only in selected districts .. exit polss are an epic fail for any side that tries to use them after the fact.
I agree that Palin might have lost McCain the election. I think Romney would actually have been a much better choice.

On the other hand, the Obama Train was rolling full-speed, and I'm not sure anybody - under any circumstances - was going to beat him.
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:59 PM
 
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Fair enough, just wanted to let you know where I stand on this given that we seem to be arguing in support of the same things and are, apparently, ideologically quite similar. I just really don't like such rhetoric in serious debates, always seems counterproductive to me. I think we should try and be above it. However, I still am glad that we agree on most everything else!
You think that if Obama went to Church or not is a serious debate?

It is evident the OP has no intention of a serious debate here. Just to make Obama look bad as always despite the fact Reagan did not go to Church.
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Old 12-25-2009, 09:00 PM
 
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I'd put money on Romney.
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Old 12-25-2009, 09:02 PM
 
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It is evident the OP has no intention of a serious debate here. Just to make Obama look bad
I think he's doing a good job of that all by himself.
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Old 12-25-2009, 09:03 PM
 
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I'd put money on Romney.
Yet the GOP didn't run him. I think that either they wanted to 'save' him for a race that was winnable, or more likely the fact that he is mormon turned into a problem with the fundementalists in the party. Anywhichway - I don't think the gop really thought Mccain was capable of winning.
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Old 12-25-2009, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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I agree that Palin might have lost McCain the election. I think Romney would actually have been a much better choice.

On the other hand, the Obama Train was rolling full-speed, and I'm not sure anybody - under any circumstances - was going to beat him.
I agree ..

If the GOP would have made the right decision in the first place, instead of feeling sorry for the centerist "old" McCain, I think Romney could have given Obama a good run for his money.
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