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Old 10-12-2010, 08:56 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Eleanora1 View Post
Maybe the CDC should work on a vaccine for ignorance first?
Why, when they are the appointed propagator of said?

Measles is one of the world's most contagious diseases on the planet. Before the vaccine nearly everyone got it. Complications include blindness, encephalitis and pneumonia. In places where the vaccine is not available hundreds of thousands of children die as a result of it each year.[/quote]

Oh, dear!

WHO | Measles

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Originally Posted by Eleanora1;16229717[B
Mumps[/b] is another highly contagious disease. Symptoms include swollen glands, high fever and painful swelling of the testicles and ovaries. Before the vaccine there were hundreds of thousands of cases each year in the United States alone.

Mumps
Oh, my!

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Rubella[/b] can cause all kinds of serious complications if you catch it in the womb including blindness, deafness and mental retardation. The vaccine was developed after a huge outbreak of the disease in the 1960's left millions of women with babies that had serious health problems.

Rubella
Mercy!

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Originally Posted by Eleanora1;16229717[B
Whooping cough[/b] is an evil little disease that can lead to coughing so severe you can break a rib. The standard treatment for whooping cough in young babies is hospitalization. Symptoms can linger for months. Complications include asthma and pneumonia.

Whooping cough - MayoClinic.com
Oh, no!

[quote=Eleanora1;16229717The biggest problem with the anti-vaccine movement is the sad delusion that nothing will happen if we stop vaccinating.[/QUOTE]

There are much better ways of preventing and dealing with these minor diseases.

 
Old 10-12-2010, 09:05 AM
 
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Why, when they are the appointed propagator of said?


Oh, dear!

WHO | Measles



Oh, my!



Mercy!



Oh, no!



There are much better ways of preventing and dealing with these minor diseases.
A baby with whooping cough runs a in 250 risk of brain damage. Only an anti-vaxxer would call that risk minor. Measles STILL kills over 100,000 children each year. But hey they didn't get a little boo boo from the vaccine so that's okay!

These illnesses are not minor. That is a comforting myth fed to gullible anti-vaccine nuts.

FYI, there is essentially no treatment for the diseases in question other than prevention. The only thing you can really do for a little baby with pertussis is to keep them in the hospital and watch them closely. There's also no effective treatment for polio, diphtheria, mumps, hib, a fetus with rubella, tetanus or just about all vaccine preventable illnesses.

Stop vaccinating and they'll come back. It is delusional to believe otherwise.

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Old 10-12-2010, 09:06 AM
 
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there's a good review article that came out this year, here:

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The evidence presented here does not support a causal association between autism and mercury exposure from the preservative thimerosal.
Does thimerosal or other mercury exposure increase... [Acta Neurobiol Exp (Wars). 2010] - PubMed result

[click on Free Full PDF on righthand side]
 
Old 10-12-2010, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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How would the "genetic factor" explain the sudden epidemic proportion of autism cases?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ufMX...eature=related
Lily Tomlin is a hoot! Thanks for the chuckle with my morning coffee!

My husband is over 60 years old. His best friend when he was growing up was very smart, but socially inept. Today, he would be classified as having Asperger's. Back then, he was just an awkward "geek". There was no diagnostic pigeonhole in which to place him.

Also back in those dark ages, children who were mentally challenged were lumped together and called "retarded." It really didn't matter whether the cause was Down's syndrome or something else. Those kids were pretty much felt to be hopeless and not offered much in the way of education.

Here is a little on the history of autism: A History of Autism

There is no laboratory test for autism. It is based on clinical evaluation. Someone has to sit down with the child and make the diagnosis. In the 1950s and 1960s, pediatricians would not have made the diagnosis in the kids on the Asperger's end of the spectrum, and probably would have made it seldom, if at all, on the more severe end. They just would not have applied the label. Many of those with severe problems were actually institutionalized, and many were diagnosed with schizophrenia.
The bottom line was that there were no good treatments, so a diagnosis did not mean a lot.

And there is the crux of the situation. Diagnosis now means a great deal. There are medications for schizophrenia, so it is crucial to get those folks in the right diagnostic cubbyhole if they have that. And there are treatments --- admittedly of varying degrees of usefulness --- for autism. And a diagnosis of autism opens the door for specialized services from the public schools in this country.

So, where a pediatrician in the 1960s didn't "see" ASDs because he wasn't looking for them, a pediatrician now will "see" ASDs because he is attuned to looking for them. It's a little bit like hunting for quail. The 1960s doc saw the birds flushed by the hunting dog, but never saw the large covey hidden in the grass. The 2010 doc knows to look in the grass.

It is now easier to determine the prevalence of diseases because information technology has advanced so much. Remember that insurance did not pay for outpatient care until relatively recently. A GP in a small town could have seen and diagnosed autism in the 1960s, but unless he wrote a journal article about it, those kids would never have been counted. Now, it gets coded into an insurance data base and it's easy to count. Just see how many people have a certain diagnosis code. And believe me, which codes to use is important. There are web sites that advise parents which codes to use and which to avoid for autism in order to maximize access to services. See here: TACA Talk About Curing Autism - Help, Hope and Support - Resources - Autism and Insurance: Biomedical and Traditional Treatment for Autism-on-a-Budget: Billing Codes That Work (http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/resources/autism-insurance/billing-codes-that-work.htm - broken link)

Like my husband's friend, the kids with autism were there all along, they just were not counted.

So, the genetics do not have to "explain" the increase in diagnosed cases. The genetics are what they are, and the genetics are complex. It is not as if every child with autism has a single rearranged bit of DNA in the same spot on the same chromosome.
The whole nonissue of the effects of vaccines needs to be put to rest so that time and money can be focused on determining how to help those who have autism live life to the fullest of their potential.

Edited to add: There is also the possibility that there is now a tendency to overdiagnose autism in order to get treatment and services for children who would otherwise be left out in the cold.

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Old 10-12-2010, 10:09 AM
 
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There are much better ways of preventing and dealing with these minor diseases.
They're anything but minor, but OK: List your better ways. Bring data.
 
Old 10-12-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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They're anything but minor, but OK: List your better ways. Bring data.
Not about to throw pearls before swine.
 
Old 10-12-2010, 10:50 AM
 
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There are much better ways of preventing and dealing with these minor diseases.
When are anti-vaxers going to understand that these most certainly are not "minor diseases". I know that's what the anti-vaxer guru's spew, but it is wrong, and irresponsible, and has potentially devastating consequences.

Here's an interesting study:

JAMA -- Historical Comparisons of Morbidity and Mortality for Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the United States, November 14, 2007, Roush et al. 298 (18): 2155

Objective: To compare morbidity and mortality before and after widespread implementation of national vaccine recommendations for 13 vaccine-preventable diseases for which recommendations were in place prior to 2005.










These are not insignificant fatalities.
 
Old 10-12-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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Not about to throw pearls before swine.
Aww. Are we not going to be treated to myths about large amounts of vitamin A? To the notion that we're all better off when mommy is sitting there making home made chicken soup while her child hacks out a rib from whooping cough? To claims of poltices and vick's vapo rub and large amounts of vitamin C while a child goes into convulsions from tetanus?

In other words you got nothing.

The truth is that there is no real way to treat let alone cure diseases like whooping cough or diphtheria or polio. The only way to combat them is to vaccinate in advance.
 
Old 10-12-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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I'd also add the World Health Organization estimates that world-wide 1.4 million children under 5 years of age die from vaccine preventable illness.
 
Old 10-12-2010, 11:08 AM
 
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I'd also add the World Health Organization estimates that world-wide 1.4 million children under 5 years of age die from vaccine preventable illness.
The anti-vax contingent believes this is a result of: poor sanitation, lack of vitamins, malnutrition, pollution, overall bad health or some sort of x factor that only affects those poor pathetic third worlders.

The babies of anti-vaxxers are fed organic food, nursed on demand, held in slings and subject to gentle AP techniques. Those babies should get pertussis instead of those evil vaccines because they will never suffer a single cough let alone pneumonia or brain damage.



See the anti-vaxxers have magical babies and children with fantastical immune systems who will be just fine if they catch diphtheria or measles or hib or one of those minor diseases.

Oh yes!
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