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Old 10-20-2010, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Tujunga
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Originally Posted by Zekester View Post
I'll try to answer some of your questions:


The increase in prevalence can be tied to the increased vaccine schedule. When I was a child (37 years old) we only got a handful of vaccines in early childhood. The current schedule is 28 vaccinations by age 2. There is a pretty strong correlation here.
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You know that correlation does not equal causation right?

 
Old 10-20-2010, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas View Post
Tell me how? Go ahead .... I DARE YOU! Tell US ALL ... immunologically speaking ... how the cowpox virus can eradicate the smallpox virus.

Don't sit there acting like you know so much ... you don't know SQUAT!

"Smallpox vaccine eradicated smallpox .. and that's final!!!" This is your expert, educated and informed opinion? You're ALL WET.

Now explain the new mechanics of virology that allows one virus to invoke antibody production for another virus .... come on ... let's hear it?
Sure, here you go. By the way, you haven't supplied one credible link, so let's see some.

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Vaccinia virus is closely related to variola virus and other members of the orthopoxviruses and induces cross-immunity.
http://www.statepress.com/archive/node/9042

http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=3178

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Smallpox is caused by the variola virus. This virus belongs to the family Poxviridae, which contains a number of other viruses including vaccinia virus, cow pox virus, and the monkeypox virus. Poxviruses cross-react serologically, meaning that antibodies against one virus will also bind to and can inactivate another poxvirus.
http://www.explorebiotech.com/smallpox.htm
 
Old 10-20-2010, 01:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mattos_12 View Post
You know that correlation does not equal causation right?
"Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk." Hank Thoreau
 
Old 10-20-2010, 01:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ergohead View Post
"Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk." Hank Thoreau
And some circumstancial evidence isn't evidence at all, but made up by kooks.

Japan stopped the measles vaccine in 1993. It made absolutly no difference to their autism rates. They kept increasing at exactly the same rates as they had. There is an increase in autism diagnoses, but vaccines are about as cleared of that as its possible to be.
 
Old 10-20-2010, 01:41 AM
 
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And some circumstancial evidence isn't evidence at all, but made up by kooks.

Japan stopped the measles vaccine in 1993. It made absolutly no difference to their autism rates. They kept increasing at exactly the same rates as they had. There is an increase in autism diagnoses, but vaccines are about as cleared of that as its possible to be.

Are you suggesting the possibility of infectious autism?
 
Old 10-20-2010, 02:20 AM
 
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Are you suggesting the possibility of infectious autism?
No, infectious measles.

The increase in diagnosed autism rates can have many causes...better diagnosis, increased levels of pollutants in the environment, higher concentrations of food additives in the ecology, differences in diet, more coddled immune systems etc, etc, etc. Lots of theories.

What is about as sure as science can be is that vaccines have been eliminated as a potential cause.
 
Old 10-20-2010, 03:22 AM
 
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No, infectious measles.

The increase in diagnosed autism rates can have many causes...better diagnosis, increased levels of pollutants in the environment, higher concentrations of food additives in the ecology, differences in diet, more coddled immune systems etc, etc, etc. Lots of theories.

What is about as sure as science can be is that vaccines have been eliminated as a potential cause.
So . . people could be becoming dumber from a lot of different causes?
 
Old 10-20-2010, 04:43 AM
 
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What is about as sure as science can be is that vaccines have been eliminated as a potential cause.
Science is as science does.

I've seen it too many times where science looks the other way when facts scream in its face.

You don't think science is political? Which research is funded, and which is suppressed?

You be the pusher man?

The incidence of autism has been going up and up and up - rapidly.

Do you think it's peaked yet?
 
Old 10-20-2010, 07:07 AM
 
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Fight Autism!

Bring back Smallpox!
smallpox won't come back because there's no vaccine to spread it
 
Old 10-20-2010, 07:20 AM
 
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There is no autism epidemic.

What you're seeing is a decrease in diagnosis of conditions like mental retardation and learning disabilities. That's coupled with a much greater awareness of autism symptoms and funding for treating them.

Is the Autism Epidemic a Myth? - TIME

Science-Based Medicine » The Increase in Autism Diagnoses: Two Hypotheses
mental retardation was very scarce whrn I was young...way back...
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