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Old 12-27-2009, 05:19 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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"Eight years after Islamic terrorists flew four jetliners into The World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing 3,000 innocent people, President Barack Hussein Obama allowed another one of them, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallabto, to board a U.S.-bound plane with high explosives strapped to his leg."

"If not for his bumbling incompetence, the failure of the detonator, and the heroism of Dutchman Jasper Schuringa, who subdued Abdulmutallabto before the device exploded, Northwest Airlines flight 253 and its passengers would have been blown out of the sky."

Obama today sent Attorney General Eric Holder to pledge a vigorous investigation of the "alleged attack" on the airliner.


"The terrorists are not intimidated, Mr. President, when you send a lawyer to do the work of the U.S. Marines."


"While Obama primps and preens for the international press, our friends in Europe, and his friends on the lunatic left, Islamic fascists are on the march. They will not relent in their pursuit of America's destruction, and their biggest ally in that goal is the President of The United States."


theFinancialSkinny-Financial and Political Headlines and Commentary (http://www.thefinancialskinny.com/obamasinexcusablefailure.html - broken link)

Even for a conservo, that's a pretty dumb premise.
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:25 AM
 
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I'm really surprised nobody has mentioned all the "close calls" we had under the Bush Administration. One of the more famous ones was the shoe bomber. I just knew you'd have right wingers saying exactly what they didn't say when the same situation occurred under a Republican president.
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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I'm really surprised nobody has mentioned all the "close calls" we had under the Bush Administration. One of the more famous ones was the shoe bomber. I just knew you'd have right wingers saying exactly what they didn't say when the same situation occurred under a Republican president.


yeah there has been so many more terror attacks on our country after 9/11 than before it...so now we all have to live in fear and follow new laws because our government tells us to ...lol...this is a bunch of crap and scare tactics by our government...full control of the people is thier aim ....little by little they will have it
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Central California
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Speaking of the shoe bomber, after that incident we now have to take our shoes off for airport security.

What I'm wondering is since this guy sneaked the explosives onto the plane in his pants! Are we now going to have to take our pants off when we go thru airport security??
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:45 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Soooooooo, I guess the poor underprivileged kid who either is pulled off the streets and taken against his will to jihad training camps to become a suicide bomber while his mother either cries at home or looks forward to the day her son becomes a martyr or comes from poverty and has nothing to do all day but spend hours in some school learning jihad isn't going to be the defense (or the subject of any PBS/HBO/CNN documentaries) for this latest terrorist.

Wealthy, quiet, unassuming: the Christmas Day bomb suspect - Americas, World - The Independent

Then, there's that "poor kid" turned psychiatrist at Fort Hood.

So, like I'm thinking somebody forgot to tell them Obama is the president now and they can stop all of this jihad stuff.

Say, back in 2007, weren't those London/Scotland Muslim terrorist bombers, doctors?

NBC: U.K. terror arrests include doctors - Terrorism- msnbc.com

'Terror ringleader' is brilliant NHS doctor| News | This is London

45 Muslim doctors planned US terror raids - Telegraph

Dear Laura,

Your post is rather disjointed and very unclear.

The title seems to indicate that you've discovered some "connection" between liberalism and terrorism. Yet, nothing in the post addresses that point.

Is it just that you hate both terrorists and liberals so in your mind you perceive the two as equivalent "enemies?" Very flawed logic, to say the least. And seeing your fellow Americans as enemies is hardly a constructive viewpoint. But it seems to be one that the extreme right is embracing these days. Have you fallen prey to simplistic talking points, perhaps?
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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Speaking of the shoe bomber, after that incident we now have to take our shoes off for airport security.

What I'm wondering is since this guy sneaked the explosives onto the plane in his pants! Are we now going to have to take our pants off when we go thru airport security??

if that happens i hope its only attractive womens' pants that have to be taken off...lol
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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certainly the news is trying to take both sides of the story, since some media sources say he was on a "no fly" list and some that he wasn't. however, the fact is that his own father reported him as a problem and if he wasn't on a list HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

it is ridiculous that americans have to be incredibly inconvenienced when they fly every single time and that this guy got on a plane at all. the government cannot just keep targeting american businesspeople and vacationers as possible "suspects".

they actually need to keep the terrorists off the planes!
I agree that instead of trying to be fair they should instead use the criminal profile as a guide as to who needs to be checked more throughly, something that wasn't condoned by neither the previous nor the current president. The problem comes when you have converts playing terrorist while using their birth name and looking like Biff from the country club. There is no perfect system. Yes, his father reported him. How far did the embassy pass the report, if they passed it at all. If the embassy dropped the ball and didn't pass on the info, is that Obama's fault? That's the fault of the staffers at the embassy. No sitting US President can be everywhere at once monitoring what all his people are doing at any given moment. Someone dropped the ball. Find out where the mistake was made, correct the breach in security, and learn from the mistake.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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Dear Laura,

Your post is rather disjointed and very unclear.

The title seems to indicate that you've discovered some "connection" between liberalism and terrorism. Yet, nothing in the post addresses that point.

Is it just that you hate both terrorists and liberals so in your mind you perceive the two as equivalent "enemies?" Very flawed logic, to say the least. And seeing your fellow Americans as enemies is hardly a constructive viewpoint. But it seems to be one that the extreme right is embracing these days. Have you fallen prey to simplistic talking points, perhaps?
Dear friend skoro, you've totally, and I really mean totally missed the points of the right wingers in these forums!

The points they (right) try to make is that LIBERALS are soft on (terra-ism) and that LIBERALS would allow a (terra-ist) attack because we are passives by our ideology.

If a (terra-ist) attack would occur during this day and time, the blame would solely rest on LIBERALS for NOT doing something (whatever that something might be) because with the rhetoric from people like cheney, rummyhead and others, President Obama would be squarely to blame because they view him as an apologist and an appeaser.

Remember this though, dialogue and diplomacy never killed anyone. Some find it easier to drop bombs and kill PEOPLE for very little reasoning.

So, this is the point the RIGHT always tries to convey, be it through accusation or fear mongering, while nothing has changed within the Republican party, it's bullcrap as usual.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:12 AM
 
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I agree that instead of trying to be fair they should instead use the criminal profile as a guide as to who needs to be checked more throughly, something that wasn't condoned by neither the previous nor the current president. The problem comes when you have converts playing terrorist while using their birth name and looking like Biff from the country club. There is no perfect system. Yes, his father reported him. How far did the embassy pass the report, if they passed it at all. If the embassy dropped the ball and didn't pass on the info, is that Obama's fault? That's the fault of the staffers at the embassy. No sitting US President can be everywhere at once monitoring what all his people are doing at any given moment. Someone dropped the ball. Find out where the mistake was made, correct the breach in security, and learn from the mistake.
i am not sure that i agree with you about where the buck stops, but i certainly agree that the most important thing now is that corrections are made and that known terrorists are not allowed to get on any planes whatsoever. there needs to be a big enforced "no fly" list. when we think back to 9-11, even the fact that the flight school reported that these future "pilots" did not want to learn landings should have been enough to keep them off of planes.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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So your link between Liberals and extremist terrorists is what exactly?
That the reason people would BE surprised is because the liberal media and the liberal arts have been pounding the drum that poverty begets terrorism. If we could only do something to get these people out of poverty maybe they wouldn't hate us so much. Sound familiar?
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