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Old 01-01-2010, 05:36 PM
 
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I know lots of old statutes. The right to bear arms, freedom of speech, etc.

Those are all "old" laws, but they are still on the books, and make good sense.

No one is a terrorist until they have committed an act, or attempted to commit an act of terrorism.
And how do you know if they are trying to commit an act of terrorism - on, say, a commercial airliner - unless every passenger is thoroughly searched and scanned?

Personally, I think it was stupid that they confiscated my shampoo & after shave last time I flew. I could say "they stole it." But their search and confiscation of my stuff wasn't a violation of my civil rights. It presented me with a choice. I could either keep my shampoo, or fly. But not both.
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Old 01-01-2010, 05:43 PM
 
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And how do you know if they are trying to commit an act of terrorism - on, say, a commercial airliner - unless every passenger is thoroughly searched and scanned?

Personally, I think it was stupid that they confiscated my shampoo & after shave last time I flew. I could say "they stole it." But their search and confiscation of my stuff wasn't a violation of my civil rights. It presented me with a choice. I could either keep my shampoo, or fly. But not both.
Oh I'm all for search and seizure at airports. I think its stupid they don't allow families of the departing to accompany them to the boarding gate. I agree with the toothpaste stuff being silly to.

What I'm against is the abolishment of all people of Muslim descent flying, as some have suggested.

There are other ways of securing people on planes, rather than the asinine stuff they have been doing. In reality, there is little we can do to find explosives like the last gentleman had. Most people I've seen talking about the "body scan" machines have even said, they doubt it would show up the small amount of material in his underwear.
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Old 01-01-2010, 05:48 PM
 
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Oh I'm all for search and seizure at airports. I think its stupid they don't allow families of the departing to accompany them to the boarding gate. I agree with the toothpaste stuff being silly to.

What I'm against is the abolishment of all people of Muslim descent flying, as some have suggested.


There are other ways of securing people on planes, rather than the asinine stuff they have been doing. In reality, there is little we can do to find explosives like the last gentleman had. Most people I've seen talking about the "body scan" machines have even said, they doubt it would show up the small amount of material in his underwear.
Well... We'll have a little trouble banning all Muslims from flying, because there are a lot of Muslims that aren't Arabic. There are probably a few blond haired, blue eyed Muslims running around.

On the other hand, it has to be admitted that the overwhelming majority of would-be terrorists have been of the Muslim faith. So I'm not sure exactly what ought to be done about that.

Personally, I wish the guy you mention would have been just a little more successful than he was - just enough to blow his balls off. It'd suck to be the guy sitting next to him, but would seem like poetic justice.
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Old 01-01-2010, 07:15 PM
 
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Airline travel is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT... just a seatbelt laws are legal, so are laws regarding air travel. Although they're not as quick and efficient, if you don't want to be searched you can take a bus, train or your own car.

Communication broke down, pure and simple. Aside from missing the dad warning the American Embassy and other clues... wouldn't you THINK that a guy with no checked bags, paying cash and buying a one-way ticket should raise a red flag?
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Old 01-01-2010, 07:18 PM
 
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Airline travel is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT... just a seatbelt laws are legal, so are laws regarding air travel. Although they're not as quick and efficient, if you don't want to be searched you can take a bus, train or your own car.

Communication broke down, pure and simple. Aside from missing the dad warning the American Embassy and other clues... wouldn't you THINK that a guy with no checked bags, paying cash and buying a one-way ticket should raise a red flag?
...especially if he kept "adjusting himself."
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Old 01-01-2010, 07:35 PM
 
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There are probably a few blond haired, blue eyed Muslims running around.

I have a friend, who is Polish, a blond haired, blue eyed, fair skinned young lady who's name unfortunately starts with El.... (Not uncommon in Polish/Russian names)
She travels a lot. And she has problems everytime! She is always singled out for an extra search.
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Old 01-01-2010, 08:34 PM
 
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.. wouldn't you THINK that a guy with no checked bags, paying cash and buying a one-way ticket should raise a red flag?
I've traveled on international flights many times on one-way tickets, I've gone on 6-month trips with only one bag in the overhead, carrying thousands of dollars in cash in a money belt, including what I used to pay for the ticket. Youth hostels in Bangladesh don't take American Express.
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Old 01-01-2010, 10:01 PM
 
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I have to fly to London next week. Think I will take that poster's advice and wear a man-thong and a see-through poncho. I am pretty sure the TSA won't want to do a pat-down of a traveler dressed like that.

These pat-downs, in addition to the other security measures, are ridiculous. Evidently screeners are prohibited from touching passengers private areas, so the screeners would not have found the underwear bomber's stash anyway.

Then, there is always the "back-door" hiding place that no amount of patting down would ever reveal!

Let me just walk through a chem-bio body scan and be done with it instead of dealing with this patchwork set of measures. I was pulled aside and strip searched in Tel Aviv because their screening equipment detected trace amount of a chemical on my laptop. Turned out I had some deck cleaning supplies in the same bag a few weeks earlier that transferred (in minuscule amounts) to my laptop. That experience provided a dramatic contrast with the rent-a-cop security measures that we have in the US.
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:02 PM
 
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Default New airport check-in dress code



This eliminates getting to the airport 2 hours early, but you still have to take off your shoes.

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