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Old 12-28-2009, 06:32 PM
 
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Normally I would post this under Education but it is exactly this that has far more implications for the future of America than anything else I can think of.


Rich, Black, Flunking


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Rich, Black, Flunking

Cal Professor John Ogbu thinks he knows why rich black kids are failing in school. Nobody wants to hear it.

By Susan Goldsmith

John Ogbu has been compared to Clarence Thomas, denounced by the Urban League, and criticized in The New York Times.

The black parents wanted an explanation. Doctors, lawyers, judges, and insurance brokers, many had come to the upscale Cleveland suburb of Shaker Heights specifically because of its stellar school district. They expected their children to succeed academically, but most were performing poorly. African-American students were lagging far behind their white classmates in every measure of academic success: grade-point average, standardized test scores, and enrollment in advanced-placement courses.

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I posted this first in education but feel it needs to be repeated.

Look what they are doing in Berkeley.

Berkeley High May Cut Out Science Labs


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Berkeley High School is considering a controversial proposal to eliminate science labs and the five science teachers who teach them to free up more resources to help struggling students.

The proposal to put the science-lab cuts on the table was approved recently by Berkeley High's School Governance Council, a body of teachers, parents, and students who oversee a plan to change the structure of the high school to address Berkeley's dismal racial achievement gap, where white students are doing far better than the state average while black and Latino students are doing worse.
I went to school and grew up in the 50's and 60's and feel today's quality of education can't hold a candle to what we had 50 years ago.

If this is allowed to continue I am glad I won't be here in another 50 years.

What do we do, climb into the fire with them or go separate ways?
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:34 PM
 
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this is old, 5th thread on this
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:36 PM
 
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this is old, 5th thread on this
I looked but couldn't find it. Sorry.
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:41 PM
 
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As an African-American, I will probably get flack from my peers, but I agree with Prof. Ogbu. My own nephew is the son of a high ranking court officer but when he posts on Facebook he and his friends dumb down their writing/speech into a ghetto text-speak. there doesn't seem to be any valure for learning or knowledge beyond the latest electronic technology and the most played hip-hop video. And you would think the speed of digital media's evolution would prompt more curiosity about "how it works" and inspire an interest in science. I don't see it.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:04 PM
 
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In the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America, all that is required is that everyone follows the rules, and don't ask too many questions.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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What do we do, climb into the fire with them or go separate ways?
You-don't-get-it! It isn't you and us. Anyone with a net worth less than a few million has been targeted for relegation to a massive underclass. The military has less than 30,000 troops to deploy to Iran when we decide to invade. Economic opportunities for tens of thousands of new graduates from higher education programs are non-existent. ALL of our children are flunking. Black children are no more or less flunking than before the ratio between black failure and white failure has not changed. The rate of ALL failure has increased in proportion to the increased obsession with profit and comfort of the Baby Boomer generation and the expansion of the organized program of disentitlement of the Middle Class by the uber rich.

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Old 12-28-2009, 07:16 PM
 
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Kids of all ethnicities today are doing better than ever according to the statistics. Don't pay attention to anecdotes.
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Old 12-29-2009, 12:45 AM
 
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Really sad (and infuriating) given the opportunities those well-heeled parents had available in order to deal with the education of their children

Taken from the article, here's some major parts of the problem:

"The black parents feel it is their role to move to Shaker Heights, pay the higher taxes so their kids could graduate from Shaker, and that's where their role stops," Ogbu says during an interview at his home in the Oakland hills. "They believe the school system should take care of the rest. They didn't supervise their children that much. They didn't make sure their children did their homework. That's not how other ethnic groups think."


"Ogbu concluded that the average black student in Shaker Heights put little effort into schoolwork and was part of a peer culture that looked down on academic success as "acting white."

"Soon after [Ogbu] left Ohio and returned to California, a black parent from Shaker Heights went on TV and called him an "academic Clarence Thomas."....

"The National Urban League condemned him and his work in a press release that scoffed, "The League holds that it is useless to waste time and energy with those who blame the victims of racism.".....


Same 'ol, same 'ol blame-game bullsh**.
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Old 12-29-2009, 03:27 AM
 
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As an African-American, I will probably get flack from my peers, but I agree with Prof. Ogbu. My own nephew is the son of a high ranking court officer but when he posts on Facebook he and his friends dumb down their writing/speech into a ghetto text-speak. there doesn't seem to be any valure for learning or knowledge beyond the latest electronic technology and the most played hip-hop video. And you would think the speed of digital media's evolution would prompt more curiosity about "how it works" and inspire an interest in science. I don't see it.
It isn't just black kids doing this ....
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:45 AM
 
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It is not just a "black" problem, it is an American society problem by all races. There is no discipline in American households and less guidance from the family. It is not just a single parent household problem either

Asians generally have the best educated kids (sorry about stereotypes) because of discipline and their culture. Our American families could learn alot from them
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