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Old 12-29-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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No more so than some thug gunning one of them down in the street just to steal a wallet - a much more likely possibility around here.
I'm not sure I understand. Are you equating a foreign terrorist whose intent is to kill hundreds or thousands to a domestic street thug who wants your wallet?
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Old 12-29-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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Where it get dangerous is when we play fast and loose with definitions of due process -- this is to protect American civil liberties and adherence to constitutional due process more than sympathy for the terrorists. Of course, they should be tried and, if convicted then sentenced. However, suspending habeas corpus and holding people indefinitely should never happen in America.
Habeas corpus was implemented to provide protection to the American people from an over zealous government, not for prisoners of US military actions outside of the United States. For that reason, we didn't even hold them inside the United States, well.. until now anyway.
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Old 12-29-2009, 12:34 PM
 
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Now that our system will allow them to lawyer up, we lose a means of getting ahead of the curve with intelligence gathering and thwarting futher attempts to kill us.

Not a good thing for US citizens residing in the US, IMO.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:52 PM
 
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[color=black][font=Verdana]I’ve noticed some on this forum prefer not to play hardball with terrorists, instead preferring to let the criminal justice system run its course as opposed to placing them in a terrorist prison (Guantanamo) and extracting, by whatever means necessary, information that could help us to prevent another attack.
Interesting. Now let's review the facts, within a few days of his arrest we know quite a bit about Mr. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. We know why, we know how, we know where and from whom he received support and glory be, without a single waterboarding session or a trip to an American gulag!

How strange.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I have faith in our legal system.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:20 PM
 
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Would you all of a sudden find a little contempt for this terrorist? Or are you comfortable with affording this individual the protections of the 5th Amendment and the advantages that come with a lawyer?
I have nothing but contempt for the terrorist, but there's no footnote to the fifth saying "Protections not valid for contemptible people".
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Interesting. Now let's review the facts, within a few days of his arrest we know quite a bit about Mr. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. We know why, we know how, we know where and from whom he received support and glory be, without a single waterboarding session or a trip to an American gulag!

How strange.
It is isn't it?

OP - you know that more people are killed in this country by gang violence than by terrorism, right? Each and every day.
As a matter of fact, every one of us has a better chance of dying from an accident in our bathrooms than being killed by a terrorist.

Let's get a little perspective here. Really.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:33 PM
 
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Interesting. Now let's review the facts, within a few days of his arrest we know quite a bit about Mr. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. We know why, we know how, we know where and from whom he received support and glory be, without a single waterboarding session or a trip to an American gulag!

How strange.
In this case, I believe the individual to be a young, impressionable, weakling who expected to be showered with his gift of virgins instead of handcuffs and FBI agents grilling him. He himself is suprised that he's alive.

I believe he spilled the beans out of pure fear for his future. With that being said, he deserves the "gulag," weakling or not.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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I'm not sure I understand. Are you equating a foreign terrorist whose intent is to kill hundreds or thousands to a domestic street thug who wants your wallet?
Actually a lone, infrequent terrorist attack doesn't even rise to the level of danger from everyday street crime. Review your statistics.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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It is isn't it?

OP - you know that more people are killed in this country by gang violence than by terrorism, right? Each and every day.
As a matter of fact, every one of us has a better chance of dying from an accident in our bathrooms than being killed by a terrorist.

Let's get a little perspective here. Really.
Your point is irrelevant. There are many "what if's" that could take place on any given subject.

The subject at hand is that the Flight 235 terrorist could have decided not to detonate his explosive concoction in favor of coming to your town and doing something destructive, totally undetected.

Instead of facing the reality, you deflect to asinine what-if statements.

Why are you deflecting the reality of this situation? Are you capable of answering the question or not? Or is it just easier to agree with other asinine, irrelevant comments?
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