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Old 12-31-2009, 03:32 PM
 
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And yet we have politicians, especially of the liberal stripe, wanting to tax the heck out of us for something that isn't happening?

In the wake of ClimateGate Are we going to find even more shoddy work passed off as science?

No Rise of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Fraction in Past 160 Years, New Research Finds
OMG - Did the trees eat it all?
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Old 12-31-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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And yet we have politicians, especially of the liberal stripe, wanting to tax the heck out of us for something that isn't happening?

In the wake of ClimateGate Are we going to find even more shoddy work passed off as science?

No Rise of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Fraction in Past 160 Years, New Research Finds
From your link...
However, some studies have suggested that the ability of oceans and plants to absorb carbon dioxide recently may have begun to decline and that the airborne fraction of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions is therefore beginning to increase.


From the same website...
Earth's plant life will not be able to "store" excess carbon from rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels as well as scientists once thought because plants likely cannot get enough nutrients, such ...

From the same website...
More than 150 leading marine scientists from 26 countries are calling for immediate action by policy-makers to sharply reduce CO2 emissions so as to avoid widespread and severe damage to marine ecosystems from ocean acidification.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0201124553.htm

What was your thread intended to prove or disprove anyway?

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Old 12-31-2009, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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And yet we have politicians, especially of the liberal stripe, wanting to tax the heck out of us for something that isn't happening?

In the wake of ClimateGate Are we going to find even more shoddy work passed off as science?

No Rise of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Fraction in Past 160 Years, New Research Finds
I saw the companion article and other like it that show the earth's ability to absorb CO2 is vastly underrated.

Controversial new climate change data: Is Earth's capacity to absorb CO - much greater than expected?
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Old 12-31-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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From your link...
However, some studies have suggested that the ability of oceans and plants to absorb carbon dioxide recently may have begun to decline and that the airborne fraction of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions is therefore beginning to increase.


From the same website...
Earth's plant life will not be able to "store" excess carbon from rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels as well as scientists once thought because plants likely cannot get enough nutrients, such ...

From the same website...
More than 150 leading marine scientists from 26 countries are calling for immediate action by policy-makers to sharply reduce CO2 emissions so as to avoid widespread and severe damage to marine ecosystems from ocean acidification.
Global Scientists Draw Attention To Threat Of Ocean Acidification

What was your thread intended to prove or disprove anyway?
From your link:

'This increased acidity can hamper the ability of a wide variety of marine organisms ranging from coral to abalone to form calcium carbonate shells and skeletonal structures. Researchers believe that at crucial stages in the larval and juvenile stages in the lives of many marine invertebrates, ocean acidification inhibits calcification, and also appears to affect reproduction and growth in some organisms."

But I have read contradictory findings in other places:

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But in a study published in the current issue of Geology, a team led by former WHOI postdoctoral researcher Justin B. Ries found that seven of the 18 shelled species they observed actually built more shell when exposed to varying levels of increased acidification.

“Most likely the organisms that responded positively were somehow able to manipulate…dissolved inorganic carbon in the fluid from which they precipitated their skeleton in a way that was beneficial to them,” said Ries, now an assistant professor in marine sciences at the University of North Carolina. “They were somehow able to manipulate CO2…to build their skeletons.”

Crabs and lobsters thicken shells as oceans absorb more CO2 > Trends > Research | Click Green
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These writers or reporters seem ignorant of the fact that these marine fauna evolved when the atmospheric CO2 concentration was more than 10 times higher than the current level.(1) Ironically, a recent New York Times article was fretting that the ocean is not absorbing enough carbon dioxide to act as a good carbon “sink.”

Can the oceans ever become very acidic? There is no evidence that the oceans were ever acidic during the past 500 million years, even when atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide was more than 10 times current levels. This implies that besides temperature and partial-pressure, there is a third controlling factor. That factor is the buffering effect of carbonic acid reaction with the basaltic oceanic crustal rocks. This process uses up excess carbon dioxide

Ocean Acidification by Carbon Dioxide - Wry Heat
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Old 12-31-2009, 05:21 PM
 
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The AGW hoaxers are running out of scare tactics. It used to be global warming, then global climate change, so what is next, global ocean death?
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Old 12-31-2009, 06:44 PM
 
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2 years ago, the far right was swearing up and down that they can ignore science, and that all the data coming out saying global warming is real was irrelevant.

Today: Data showing that GW may not be the issue it was claimed to be, and the far right swears by it.


When the science says what you dont agree with, its worthless. When it agrees with you, you cite it endlessly.

My thoughts: In the grand scheme, it doesnt matter much anyway.
Actually it is just a matter of ignoring phony science, Now Science is just backing up common sense, and what we have been saying all along, you guys are the ones who worship at the altar of Science, I can understand how this could cause you to question your religion!
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Old 12-31-2009, 06:50 PM
 
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Actually it is just a matter of ignoring phony science, Now Science is just backing up common sense, and what we have been saying all along, you guys are the ones who worship at the altar of Science, I can understand how this could cause you to question your religion!
Exactly!

We know that the earth's climate changes all the time, and pumping copious amounts of CO2 will have some impact, but the impact is minimal, and in no way reflects the abject hysteria and imminent climate doom predicted by the AGW hoax deniers like al Gore.
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