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Old 12-31-2009, 09:12 PM
 
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"SPRINGFIELD, Ill., Dec. 24 (UPI) -- A conservative candidate for Illinois comptroller was ordered out of the state Capitol for trying to remove a sign placed by an atheist group, officials said. William J. Kelly calls the sign, placed by the Freedom from Religion Foundation, "hate speech," saying it mocks the views of believers, CBS2Chicago.com reported. He announced Tuesday he was going to try to remove it and made his attempt Wednesday, only to be detained by police."

Illinois police protect atheist sign - UPI.com
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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There's a real non-story.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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There are no laws in the U.S. against "hate speech", are there? There's definitely nothing that protects us from being "mocked", so it sounds like his complaints are empty.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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It's not like they put up a nativity scene or ten commandments tablet there.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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There are no laws in the U.S. against "hate speech", are there? There's definitely nothing that protects us from being "mocked", so it sounds like his complaints are empty.
You might want to read the first amendment of the US Constitution. Athiest and the ACLU use that amendment as justification to prevent religious displays on government property. Below is the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

If the courts and the ACLU and athiest can claim that having a religious display on government property is an example of the government endorsing a religion then the reverse should also be true. Having a display of such a message on government property is the government "prohitibiting the free exercise" of religion. Having such a message on government property says the US Government works against religion. This is just as true as having a religious holiday display on government property shows that the government endorses a particular religion.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:44 PM
 
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If the courts and the ACLU and athiest can claim that having a religious display on government property is an example of the government endorsing a religion then the reverse should also be true. Having a display of such a message on government property is the government "prohitibiting the free exercise" of religion. Having such a message on government property says the US Government works against religion. This is just as true as having a religious holiday display on government property shows that the government endorses a particular religion.
That's a stretch.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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That's a stretch.
No more a stretch than having a display of the 10 Commandments or a nativity scene on government property being against the constitution. One display promotes religion while another display opposes religion. If you can have one then you can have the other. If you can't have one, then you shouldn't have either.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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That's a stretch.
I agree. It's a big stretch because atheism is not a religion.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: North Las Vegas
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That's a stretch.
Not really, religion can be summed up by saying it is an organized set of beliefs. Atheist also have an organized set of beliefs or non-beliefs if you will.

If an atheist can feel insulted when they see a nativity scene, then a Christian can feel insulted when someone puts up a sign that claims that God doesn't exist.

Same rules, just seems that only one side can use them these days.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Not really, religion can be summed up by saying it is an organized set of beliefs. Atheist also have an organized set of beliefs or non-beliefs if you will.

If an atheist can feel insulted when they see a nativity scene, then a Christian can feel insulted when someone puts up a sign that claims that God doesn't exist.

Same rules, just seems that only one side can use them these days.
When atheist organizations get tax breaks in the same way that religious organizations get them, then your argument will have some significance.

Again, atheism is not a religion.
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