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Only in America do we stand on a publicly funded sidewalk, outside the social security office and complain about government "taking over our lives." Stoopid teabaggers.
Still a very good point.........standing on publicly funded sidewalks picking up SS checks or seeing a doctor using Medicare.........and complaining about government taking over our lives, socialism, etc........NOT having a clue how much they're being used by the big corporations to suck them dry of every ounce of "blood" they have left. It amazes me that people are so disrespectful of what is in their own self interest!
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The FACT of the matter is that it was government spending that pulled us out of the Great Depression.
I'd like to dispute that statement. Sudden, rapid deflation, followed by market uncertainty (created by massive government intervention) paralyzed investment for over a decade.
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It is, as always, debatable whether the economy would have recovered more quickly without any government interference. That's always a debate, and where I fall is that a government has responsibility to keep the market valleys from going to low and the peaks from going to high in the name of stability. I understand the perspective posted above and it's a viable and important one for the sake of different perspectives.
But, my only point was that there is no doubt that government spending for war efforts ended the Great Depression.
...where I fall is that a government has responsibility to keep the market valleys from going to low and the peaks from going to high in the name of stability....
Since the government has increased its meddling in the marketplace (after 1913 or so), recessions/depressions/downturns have been longer and more pronounced.
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...there is no doubt that government spending for war efforts ended the Great Depression....
That is doubtful. The war left investors guessing which industries the government would shuffle money into. Potential workers were shipped around the world, rather than creating goods and services. The stability that followed the war (and the lack of competition from destroyed countries) was what ended the Great Depression.
The important thing to remember from all of that modern technology is that it was created, nurtured, pushed and adapted by people with ideas on ways to feed themselves and/or their families. And you should thank Nikola Tesla for practically everything in your list. None of it would work or been needed if it weren't for that brilliant man.
The government stepping in to regulate is the effect, not the cause.
There is no more of a motivational influence than the profit-motive as long as money is required to live.
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It is, as always, debatable whether the economy would have recovered more quickly without any government interference. That's always a debate, and where I fall is that a government has responsibility to keep the market valleys from going to low and the peaks from going to high in the name of stability. I understand the perspective posted above and it's a viable and important one for the sake of different perspectives.
But, my only point was that there is no doubt that government spending for war efforts ended the Great Depression.
I'm sure the fact that after WWII America had the only fully functional industrial complex still standing, may have had something to do with a recovery, because after WWII we were the only game in town.
Only in America do we stand on a publicly funded sidewalk, outside the social security office and complain about government "taking over our lives." Stoopid teabaggers.
Teabagging is a gay sex act where one gay places the *** **** of some stranger in his mouth for fun. You all know the term. This isn't just name calling. It's an obscenity. And one apparently that's just fine under tos.
The name was ironic because Nazi's were in no way Socialist.
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forced Socialism on America.
Socializing /= Socialism.
And going back to the OP, people don't mind those programs.
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What's wrong, aren't you feeling the love?
No, and I share views with the poster, so it's not like it was an attack, but we all know that we will get the best progress (allbeit small) from being kind to opposing views.
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You are mixing up state, local and federal government as if they are all the same entity, and some of what you list is actually the free market operating withing federal or state regulations.
Government writes the laws and regulations that form the framework around our capitalist system, where people go to far is allowing the federal government to regulate our lives and tells us what we can and cannot do.
Take the internet, it was developed by people working in the government, just like Teflon, Kevlar, nuclear power, and the jet engine. All were invented by people working for government, but all were then adopted by the capitalist system for private enterprise. That is a far cry from a centrally controlled socialist system were all industry are controlled and owned by government.
All the internet sites you visit, all the TV shows and news you read or watch are a part of our free capitalist system. In a socialist system, the central government decides all your TV, internet and news content.
Government regulations for cars are getting to the point where they heavily influence what cars are built, but at this point in time they are only guidelines, the private sector follows them and builds whatever car they want to. In a pure socialist system the government owns the car companies, and the government decides what cars we are allowed to drive, and those are the only cars you can drive. I think there are people in our federal government today, that would like to regulate, down to the finest detail, exactly what cars and trucks are allowed to be built.
There is nothing wrong with a state or city government that puts in a road or sewage treatment plant, that is what state and local governments are asked to do by their voters. But when you allow the socialist style central government to take over, and decide for each state, county and city what they can build, where to build, and when they can build, then you cross over into tyranny, and the United States of America ceases to exist.
In some way shape or form, there is a Federal unit that oversees all of these things.
I'm sure the fact that after WWII America had the only fully functional industrial complex still standing, may have had something to do with a recovery, because after WWII we were the only game in town.
Yeah, I agree with that. But, the fact that our industrial capacity expanded so significantly during the war (thanks to government funding) laid a solid foundation for the markets to take over once the war was over.
Government isn't this horrible, evil thing people make it out to be. At least, it doesn't need to be. It can be a big boon to business, as happened with defense and intelligence contracts that fostered a lot of the IT technology we use today.
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