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Unread 01-03-2010, 06:19 AM
 
Location: state of contentment
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Looks like NH needs an even heavier influx of those from MA, NY and NJ to straighten them out and get their heads right.
When are you moving to NH?
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Unread 01-03-2010, 06:36 AM
 
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Looks like NH needs an even heavier influx of those from MA, NY and NJ to straighten them out and get their heads right.
Looks like you need a primer on Federalism. Here, let me point you in the direction of some resources to educate you on the subject:

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Unread 01-03-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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Other states have done this, others are in the works.

The states are getting tired of the Fed butting their nose in issues that are not the feds business.The gun issue is being used as a stepping stone to curtail some of the feds interference.
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Unread 01-03-2010, 10:18 AM
 
Location: state of contentment
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Other states have done this, others are in the works.

The states are getting tired of the Fed butting their nose in issues that are not the feds business.The gun issue is being used as a stepping stone to curtail some of the feds interference.
Equally important, what will they do about the states' mandates under the healthcare bill? That's the feds "butting their noses in" as well.

If the feds do this often enough, states will either rebel, or gradually grow resigned to it.

It's really up to the people.
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Unread 01-03-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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The 10th Amendment hasn't been in effect since the Civil War.
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Unread 01-03-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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Other states have done this, others are in the works.

The states are getting tired of the Fed butting their nose in issues that are not the feds business.The gun issue is being used as a stepping stone to curtail some of the feds interference.
Exactly.

This NH bill appears as though it was modeled after the Montana bill. A number of states have addresses this but not all have applied the same amount of "teeth" to the bill. The one from my state was weak at best. Some states, like Texas, Montana, and NH are a bit stronger in their language on these 10th Amendment bills. Good for them.

I expect more of this in the pipepline with the states who's AG's are willing to sue against the "unfunded" mandate on state Medicaid increases through the current Senate & House "healthcare reform" bills.

The federal government is in an all out power grab. When they reach out to grab that which belongs to the states or force their will without Constitutional authorization against the states, they need to pull back a stump!
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Unread 01-03-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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And if millions of liberals then moved to New Hampshire, they could outlaw guns using the same argument.

The idea is retarded
In other words, you are saying that the US can use the Commerce Clause of the Constitution to wipe out the 10th Amendment without amending the Constitution?

Do you know how impossible it would be to pass an amendment abolishing the rights of states under the 10th Amendment? If it takes 3/4 of state legislatures' approval to ratify an amendment it would be nigh on to impossible.

What you are suggesting, along with the other liberals here, is that our Congress of Executive Branch can change the Constitution by dictating that such has happened. I think there may well be something serious develop from this one. Too many states are ready to fight this one and may even actual fight.

The Montana law like this one has been passed and a majority of Montana's people support their law. Yes, I think I see some real battles coming and they may be of a very revolutionary nature.

Actually what you people are saying is that the federal government can overrule anything by using the Commerce Clause, as they have been doing for some time. Intrastate trade cannot be controlled by the United States much longer by stretching that clause, but it will be attempted because it has worked so well for so long.
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Unread 01-03-2010, 11:51 AM
 
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In other words, you are saying that the US can use the Commerce Clause of the Constitution to wipe out the 10th Amendment without amending the Constitution?

Do you know how impossible it would be to pass an amendment abolishing the rights of states under the 10th Amendment? If it takes 3/4 of state legislatures' approval to ratify an amendment it would be nigh on to impossible.

What you are suggesting, along with the other liberals here, is that our Congress of Executive Branch can change the Constitution by dictating that such has happened. I think there may well be something serious develop from this one. Too many states are ready to fight this one and may even actual fight.

The Montana law like this one has been passed and a majority of Montana's people support their law. Yes, I think I see some real battles coming and they may be of a very revolutionary nature.

Actually what you people are saying is that the federal government can overrule anything by using the Commerce Clause, as they have been doing for some time. Intrastate trade cannot be controlled by the United States much longer by stretching that clause, but it will be attempted because it has worked so well for so long.
Agreed, that is exactly what they are saying. One has only to look at the proposed control of food sources and private family farms by the USDA and EPA to see this.
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Unread 01-03-2010, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Equally important, what will they do about the states' mandates under the healthcare bill? That's the feds "butting their noses in" as well.

If the feds do this often enough, states will either rebel, or gradually grow resigned to it.

It's really up to the people.
Agreed. I'm glad states are rebelling. That IS the American way.
States have their own rights and should loudly and legally protect them.
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Unread 01-03-2010, 12:02 PM
 
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Resist DC: NH Legislators Look to Nullify Federal Gun Laws*|*Tenth Amendment Center

A bill filed in the New Hampshire legislature, if passed, would effectively nullify Federal gun laws, and provide penalties for those attempting to enforce Federal gun laws in NH.

HB 1285 reads in part:



A step, albeit a small one, in the right direction for the 10th Amendment movement. More needs to be done but it's a start. If passed count this bill as a shot across the bow and notification the several States have had enough of Federal intrusion and meddling in their internal affairs. Way to go New Hampshire!

New Hampshire state legislators???
Be still my beating heart!!

New Hampshire now joins legislation that is pending in Montana, Utah and Texas.

What is going on? Is not NH one of the bluest of the blue micro-states?
Is there still hope that there is some sanity left in the Northeast?
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