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Old 01-03-2010, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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There's another state in the northeast that has a similar program and they are bleeding money as well and talked about cutting services.
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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There's another state in the northeast that has a similar program and they are bleeding money as well and talked about cutting services.

That would be Taxachusettes.
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Old 01-04-2010, 07:49 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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I KNOW you aren't talking to me!!
I constantly criticized this bill and if I had it my way, we would have a single-payer system. The health care bill is not reform.

sinlge payer would cost us even more

medicaid is single payer

is costs 300 BILLION, to cover just 30 million people

a single payer system to cover the 300+ million people would cost at least 3 trillion a year
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Old 01-04-2010, 07:52 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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More reason to raise the minimum wage. There's no reason why Wal-Mart jobs can't be good-paying jobs.

the best minimum wage would be ZERO


Because the minimum wage does not make employees automatically more productive, employers who must pay higher wages will look for other ways to compensate.
Raising the minimum wage will help only a subset of the people it is thought to help and even them only a little—and hurt some of them a lot.
When the government raises the minimum wage, it doesn’t guarantee jobs. It destroys jobs.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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More reason to raise the minimum wage. There's no reason why Wal-Mart jobs can't be good-paying jobs.
How about the government get OUT of business' business, and govern. Let companies set their wages, and if you want to work for that wage you work for that company. If you want MORE income, get educated or skilled and find something else.

It's NOT the government's job to decide what a company pays its employees.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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Senate Bill: More Wal-Mart Wages, Goodbye Middle Class - Working Life (http://www.workinglife.org/blogs/view_post.php?&post_id=2240#editcomments - broken link)

As if we didn't have enough things going on killing the middle class.
An artifical increase in salaries supported by interference in the free market by government is the same kind of thinking which caused the housing bubble.

As long as there are educated people in jobs which are beyond the skill set of Walmart retail... there will be middle class.

The idea that you can get rid of working poor by eliminating a chain of retail centers is false. The market dictates wages, not walmart or any other retailer.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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sinlge payer would cost us even more

medicaid is single payer

is costs 300 BILLION, to cover just 30 million people

a single payer system to cover the 300+ million people would cost at least 3 trillion a year
See my new thread: Medicare-for-all saves money


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There's another state in the northeast that has a similar program and they are bleeding money as well and talked about cutting services.
Yeah it's pretty stupid and irresponsible to use taxpayer money to bailout private companies, which is exactly what Massachusetts did. Their health care plan is very much like the one Congress passed.

They should have just tried to implement single-payer on a state level or limit what health insurance companies can charge people in the state ( a much better idea in my book).
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Old 08-21-2014, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Thirty indicators (not mine) that the middle class is going goodbye....

1. In 2007, the average household in the top 5 percent had 16.5 times as much wealth as the average household overall. But now the average household in the top 5 percent has 24 times as much wealth as the average household overall.
2. According to a study recently discussed in the New York Times, the "typical American household" is now worth 36 percent less than it was worth a decade ago.
3. One out of every seven Americans rely on food banks at this point.
4. One out of every four military families needs help putting enough food on the table.
5. 79 percent of the people that use food banks purchase "inexpensive, unhealthy food just to have enough to feed their families".
6. One out of every three adults in the United States has an unpaid debt that is "in collections".
7. Only 48 percent of all Americans can immediately come up with $400 in emergency cash without borrowing it or selling something.
8. The price of food continues to rise much faster than the paychecks of most middle class families. For example, the average price of ground beef has just hit a brand new all-time record high of $3.884 a pound.
9. According to one recent study, 40 percent of all households in the United States are experiencing financial stress right now.
10. The overall homeownership rate has fallen to the lowest level since 1995.
11. The homeownership rate for Americans under the age of 35 is at an all-time low.
12. According to one recent survey, 52 percent of all Americans cannot even afford the house that they are living in right now.
13. The average age of vehicles on America’s roads has hit an all-time high of 11.4 years.
14. Last year, one out of every four auto loans in the United States was made to someone with subprime credit.
15. Amazingly, one out of every six men in their prime working years (25 to 54) do not have a job at this point.
16. One recent study found that 47 percent of unemployed Americans have “completely given up” looking for a job.
17. 36 percent of Americans do not have a single penny saved for retirement.
18. According to one survey, 76 percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
19. More than half of all working Americans make less than $30,000 a year in wages.
20. Only four of the twenty fastest growing occupations in America require a Bachelor’s degree or better.
21. In America today, one out of every ten jobs is filled by a temp agency.
22. Due to a lack of decent jobs, half of all college graduates are still relying on their parents financially when they are two years out of school.
23. Median household income in the United States is about 7 percent lower than it was in the year 2000 after adjusting for inflation.
24. Approximately one out of every four part-time workers in America is living below the poverty line.
25. It is hard to believe, but more than one out of every five children in the United States is living in poverty in 2014.
26. According to one study, there are 49 million Americans that are dealing with food insecurity.
27. Ten years ago, the number of women in the U.S. that had jobs outnumbered the number of women in the U.S. on food stamps by more than a 2 to 1 margin. But now the number of women in the U.S. on food stamps actually exceeds the number of women that have jobs.
28. If the middle class was actually thriving, we wouldn’t have more than a million public school children that are homeless.
29. If you can believe it, Americans received more than 2 trillion dollars in benefits from the federal government last year alone.
30. In terms of median wealth per adult, the United States is now in just 19th place in the world.
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Old 08-21-2014, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I never said it's the answer to all or even a few of society's problems. It's just a good and simple intervention in a capitalist economy to help maintain a basic standard of living for people who are working.
What is your plan for the people put out of work as a result of the minimum wage increase?
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Old 08-21-2014, 12:11 PM
 
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Thirty indicators (not mine) that the middle class is going goodbye....

1. In 2007, the average household in the top 5 percent had 16.5 times as much wealth as the average household overall. But now the average household in the top 5 percent has 24 times as much wealth as the average household overall.
2. According to a study recently discussed in the New York Times, the "typical American household" is now worth 36 percent less than it was worth a decade ago.
3. One out of every seven Americans rely on food banks at this point.
4. One out of every four military families needs help putting enough food on the table.
5. 79 percent of the people that use food banks purchase "inexpensive, unhealthy food just to have enough to feed their families".
6. One out of every three adults in the United States has an unpaid debt that is "in collections".
7. Only 48 percent of all Americans can immediately come up with $400 in emergency cash without borrowing it or selling something.
8. The price of food continues to rise much faster than the paychecks of most middle class families. For example, the average price of ground beef has just hit a brand new all-time record high of $3.884 a pound.
9. According to one recent study, 40 percent of all households in the United States are experiencing financial stress right now.
10. The overall homeownership rate has fallen to the lowest level since 1995.
11. The homeownership rate for Americans under the age of 35 is at an all-time low.
12. According to one recent survey, 52 percent of all Americans cannot even afford the house that they are living in right now.
13. The average age of vehicles on America’s roads has hit an all-time high of 11.4 years.
14. Last year, one out of every four auto loans in the United States was made to someone with subprime credit.
15. Amazingly, one out of every six men in their prime working years (25 to 54) do not have a job at this point.
16. One recent study found that 47 percent of unemployed Americans have “completely given up” looking for a job.
17. 36 percent of Americans do not have a single penny saved for retirement.
18. According to one survey, 76 percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
19. More than half of all working Americans make less than $30,000 a year in wages.
20. Only four of the twenty fastest growing occupations in America require a Bachelor’s degree or better.
21. In America today, one out of every ten jobs is filled by a temp agency.
22. Due to a lack of decent jobs, half of all college graduates are still relying on their parents financially when they are two years out of school.
23. Median household income in the United States is about 7 percent lower than it was in the year 2000 after adjusting for inflation.
24. Approximately one out of every four part-time workers in America is living below the poverty line.
25. It is hard to believe, but more than one out of every five children in the United States is living in poverty in 2014.
26. According to one study, there are 49 million Americans that are dealing with food insecurity.
27. Ten years ago, the number of women in the U.S. that had jobs outnumbered the number of women in the U.S. on food stamps by more than a 2 to 1 margin. But now the number of women in the U.S. on food stamps actually exceeds the number of women that have jobs.
28. If the middle class was actually thriving, we wouldn’t have more than a million public school children that are homeless.
29. If you can believe it, Americans received more than 2 trillion dollars in benefits from the federal government last year alone.
30. In terms of median wealth per adult, the United States is now in just 19th place in the world.
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Welcome to the new Guided Age. Oh, those poor, poor one percenters (I'm sorry, I should say job creators) who are hoarding most of the wealth. We cannot ask them to release their iron grip on all that wealth to pay a few percentage points higher in taxes, ever. That would just be selfish of the other 99%.
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