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View Poll Results: Agree or disagree: The U.S. health care system is "just fine".
Agree 19 22.62%
Disagree 65 77.38%
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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It isn't just low income people........

For Middle Class, Health Insurance Becomes a Luxury - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/16/us/for-middle-class-health-insurance-becomes-a-luxury.html - broken link)

USATODAY.com - Health insurance premiums crash down on middle class

Health Care and the Middle Class: More Costs and Less Coverage - Kaiser Family Foundation

If you want to try to demonize poor people (like so many on this forum) and ignore the facts....have at it.
I think most people would rather have health care than health insurance but that's just me. Get rid of the middle men.
Another poster mentioned Simplicityville.
I think you musta grew up there.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:54 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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It doesn't matter what Rush says.

There is an issue with low income people and health insurance. I don't think you need to alter 100% of the population to fix a 10% problem.
I agree, but don't you see...the government would then only have 10% of the power, so they won't settle for that.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Actually I have read quite a few of them here.
The search function is your friend.

Ha ha ha ha. I know it's my friend. The real question is if it's yours.

Why try to make it seem like the people on these boards haven't expressed their disgust with Congress this scam of a so-called "health care" bill?

You're more than welcome to start ANOTHER thread where we can bash Congress for passing the health care bill. It will be another waste of time but if you feel like we're getting too down on poor little Rush Limbaugh then feel free to start a thread and try to deflect attention from his idiotic statement.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:57 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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The US health care system isn't perfect, but it's the best damn system in the world. Could it be cheaper? Yes. Does that mean the government should take it over completely? NO!

Look at the flood insurance business. In the 60's, the government got into the game. Soon after that, all the private insurance companies were run out of business because they can't compete. From there on out, the government is the only provider, is consistently in the red, provide subpar coverage (at best) and they're developing all types of land that wouldn't otherwise be developed because it's in floodplains. It's one of the most disastrous programs the government runs.

And why would national health care be any different?

Like it or not, we lead the world in advances in medicine and medical technology. Why? Because our best and our brightest are paid very well to go into the field. They're rewarded richly for their diligence and hard work. We get amazing cures for things that were killing people left and right only 10 years ago. We get technology that can find cancer way before it spreads.

With a nationalized system, these advances die. There's no longer any lure for the brightest minds to take on many thousands of dollars worth of debt to become physicians. None. Money always has and always will be the driving force behind everything. (It's the driving force behind the government - that's what all the pet projects buried in the bills are about)

The minute you stifle that, you kill people. You kill them because they're not getting the best people caring for them. You kill people because you don't get the best advances possible.

You want a cure for AIDS? You want a cure for cancer? KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE HEALTH CARE BUSINESS!!!!

Can it be tweaked? Yep. Can we look at ways to bring down costs? Yep. That's done by creating more and more competition. When competition is present, companies work to find a better, cheaper and faster way to bring a product to market. Companies THRIVE in this and the weak fade away.

But bringing the government into it is creating a monopoly, which means instant death to any competition. Which means nobody there to compete for better cures and cheaper medicine.

There are a lot of things that can be done, but leaving everything up to a room of career politicians that have never run anything in their lives will be the downfall of quality health care as we know it.

To think anything otherwise shows a complete lack of common sense and no grasp on the real world.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:59 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Hell, China plans to have universal health care by 2020.
By all means, let's model ourselves after China. Brilliant.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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The US health care system isn't perfect, but it's the best damn system in the world. Could it be cheaper? Yes. Does that mean the government should take it over completely? NO!

Look at the flood insurance business. In the 60's, the government got into the game. Soon after that, all the private insurance companies were run out of business because they can't compete. From there on out, the government is the only provider, is consistently in the red, provide subpar coverage (at best) and they're developing all types of land that wouldn't otherwise be developed because it's in floodplains. It's one of the most disastrous programs the government runs.

And why would national health care be any different?

Like it or not, we lead the world in advances in medicine and medical technology. Why? Because our best and our brightest are paid very well to go into the field. They're rewarded richly for their diligence and hard work. We get amazing cures for things that were killing people left and right only 10 years ago. We get technology that can find cancer way before it spreads.

With a nationalized system, these advances die. There's no longer any lure for the brightest minds to take on many thousands of dollars worth of debt to become physicians. None. Money always has and always will be the driving force behind everything. (It's the driving force behind the government - that's what all the pet projects buried in the bills are about)

The minute you stifle that, you kill people. You kill them because they're not getting the best people caring for them. You kill people because you don't get the best advances possible.

You want a cure for AIDS? You want a cure for cancer? KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE HEALTH CARE BUSINESS!!!!
Can it be tweaked? Yep. Can we look at ways to bring down costs? Yep. That's done by creating more and more competition. When competition is present, companies work to find a better, cheaper and faster way to bring a product to market. Companies THRIVE in this and the weak fade away.

But bringing the government into it is creating a monopoly, which means instant death to any competition. Which means nobody there to compete for better cures and cheaper medicine.

There are a lot of things that can be done, but leaving everything up to a room of career politicians that have never run anything in their lives will be the downfall of quality health care as we know it.

To think anything otherwise shows a complete lack of common sense and no grasp on the real world.
you obviously don't care about the working poor black peoples, cuz only da gubamit can help dem
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The US health care system isn't perfect, but it's the best damn system in the world. Could it be cheaper? Yes. Does that mean the government should take it over completely? NO!

Look at the flood insurance business. In the 60's, the government got into the game. Soon after that, all the private insurance companies were run out of business because they can't compete. From there on out, the government is the only provider, is consistently in the red, provide subpar coverage (at best) and they're developing all types of land that wouldn't otherwise be developed because it's in floodplains. It's one of the most disastrous programs the government runs.

And why would national health care be any different?

Like it or not, we lead the world in advances in medicine and medical technology. Why? Because our best and our brightest are paid very well to go into the field. They're rewarded richly for their diligence and hard work. We get amazing cures for things that were killing people left and right only 10 years ago. We get technology that can find cancer way before it spreads.

With a nationalized system, these advances die. There's no longer any lure for the brightest minds to take on many thousands of dollars worth of debt to become physicians. None. Money always has and always will be the driving force behind everything. (It's the driving force behind the government - that's what all the pet projects buried in the bills are about)

The minute you stifle that, you kill people. You kill them because they're not getting the best people caring for them. You kill people because you don't get the best advances possible.

You want a cure for AIDS? You want a cure for cancer? KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE HEALTH CARE BUSINESS!!!!

Can it be tweaked? Yep. Can we look at ways to bring down costs? Yep. That's done by creating more and more competition. When competition is present, companies work to find a better, cheaper and faster way to bring a product to market. Companies THRIVE in this and the weak fade away.

But bringing the government into it is creating a monopoly, which means instant death to any competition. Which means nobody there to compete for better cures and cheaper medicine.

There are a lot of things that can be done, but leaving everything up to a room of career politicians that have never run anything in their lives will be the downfall of quality health care as we know it.

To think anything otherwise shows a complete lack of common sense and no grasp on the real world.
I suggest you read: Amazon.com: Taming the Beloved Beast: How Medical Technology Costs Are Destroying Our Health Care System (9780691142364): Daniel Callahan: Books


You'd truly learn a lot.

There's no reason you still can't have private pharmaceutical companies under a single-payer system. They just wouldn't be allowed to rip people off like they're doing now. They can still find a cure for AIDs if they want to.

What exactly do health insurance companies do to encourage innovation?
Oh yeah...nothing!

The marketing expenses for U.S. pharmaceutical companies are greater than their research expenses. If they wanted to spend more, they certainly have a lot of money to do so.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:08 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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you obviously don't care about the working poor black peoples, cuz only da gubamit can help dem
Oh I HATE poor people

The posters on this board are amazing! Poor people are probably reading this and shaking their heads hoping they shut up because with the government involved they can go get a flu shot, but if they get cancer, they're screwed.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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With a nationalized system, these advances die. There's no longer any lure for the brightest minds to take on many thousands of dollars worth of debt to become physicians. None. Money always has and always will be the driving force behind everything.
Exactly, that's why other nations don't have doctors.
Personally, (for America) I think that all people who become sick and cannot pay for treatment should be executed and bulldozed into mass graves.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:11 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I suggest you read: Amazon.com: Taming the Beloved Beast: How Medical Technology Costs Are Destroying Our Health Care System (9780691142364): Daniel Callahan: Books


You'd truly learn a lot.

There's no reason you still can't have private pharmaceutical companies under a single-payer system. They just wouldn't be allowed to rip people off like they're doing now. They can still find a cure for AIDs if they want to.

What exactly do health insurance companies do to encourage innovation?
Oh yeah...nothing!

The marketing expenses for U.S. pharmaceutical companies are greater than their research expenses. If they wanted to spend more, they certainly have a lot of money to do so.
And once you get a little more experience in the real world, and how business truly works, you'll probably change your mind.

Look, I know you're young and passionate about this, but you really don't have a clue about how business and the real world works yet. Sadly, that's not uncommon with the younger generation.

All passion, but no brains.

And by the way....that was part of the point in my post....health costs can be brought under control, but a government takeover won't do that. THAT'S the problem. Insurance is more affordable when that happens.
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