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Old 04-29-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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You may contend that, but "owing allegiance at birth to foreign states" is not excluded to those few. The passage I linked specifically says "...the term 'natural born citizen' is used, and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states..."
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yes, ALL diplomats ( we've had a few ) and ALL invading army personnel. it is for their children that the phrase "owing allegiance by birth to foreign states" is used.

 
Old 04-29-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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After I posted this I noticed that the rule states a 10 year period 5 of which needs to be after the age of 14. So there is no way she would have qualified in 1961. So he had better have been born here otherwise he is not qualified.
What rule is this. Here's the law:

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Originally Posted by TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1409 (c)
Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 01:29 PM
 
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Some are scanned and digitized, others are converted to microfilm (microfiche).
any links ?
 
Old 04-29-2010, 01:35 PM
 
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What rule is this. Here's the law:
Obama was not born out of wedlock. There are divorce records for his parents.
Divorce Decree 1964 - 13 Pages -- Merged!
 
Old 04-29-2010, 01:47 PM
 
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any links ?
Depends on the state, but here are some examples:

West Virginia Vital Research Records - Select Search Type

Massachusetts has vital records on microfiche going back to 1691.
Massachusetts Vital Records of Towns A - G
 
Old 04-29-2010, 01:49 PM
 
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Actually Obama, like many Americans had rights of dual citizenship when born. US law provides for two class of citizen and only two. Naturalized citizens and citizens by right of birth. The latter are "natural born" citizens. Obama was born in Hawaii. That makes him "natural born."

"Owing allegiance to a foreign state" covers children of foreign diplomats and foreign troops during wartime. You can want a different definition. You're just not going to get one.
The preponderance of historical authoritative publishings on the matter concur with the article in the New Englander and Yale Review, "...the term 'natural born citizen' is used, and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states..."
 
Old 04-29-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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What rule is this. Here's the law:
That applies to "single mothers" if they were married before the birth then the 10 year rule applies.

I supplied the link to what the US state department uses, here it is again.

http://georgetown.usembassy.gov/consularpdfs/acs/crba-information-packet3.pdf (broken link)

The state of Hawaii has no bearing on this. The fact remains that she was right on the fringe of the 5 years after attaining the age of 14. This law does not apply to diplomats, military personal or anyone that is a government employee abroad. The rule does apply folks working for private firms, the Peace Core, etc.

You cannot obtain the long form online. You have to go to the Hawian Dept. of Vital records offices in Honalulu and request it in person. Bama was there, why did he not request it?

Why has he not released his application records for Havard? Those records would have a copy of his long form cert.

Remember, only in 2007 did the Hawian govt. start using the short form. I am sure Bama has a copy of it somewhere. He would have needed it for a variety of reasons prior to 2007.

What could he possibly be hiding?
 
Old 04-29-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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A natural born citizen ....a citizen not made by law.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 02:15 PM
 
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Old 04-29-2010, 02:17 PM
 
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Obama was not born out of wedlock. There are divorce records for his parents.
Divorce Decree 1964 - 13 Pages -- Merged!
That appears to be unclear. There is a record of a divorce. There doesn't seem to be a record of a marriage. Perhaps common law marriage would cover this, perhaps not.

There also this if his parents were married:
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Originally Posted by TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401(d)
a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
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