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Old 04-30-2010, 12:14 PM
 
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No. Obama's father was a British citizen, and therefore owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. As such, Obama is not a natural born citizen.
A very small minority believe that but keep on repeating it...

 
Old 04-30-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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The Supreme Court does though, no?
None of the court cases, Supreme Court or otherwise, directly addresses a definition of natural-born citizen. They talk about citizenship in regards to women's rights, in regards to the rights of Native Americans, in regards to immigrants' rights. Not one of those cases has relevance. Because in the United States we only have two kinds of citizenship, natural-born citizens or naturalized citizens. Since President Obama was never naturalized (ie, went from alien status to citizen status), he has always been accorded natural-born status. And not one of your court decisions impacts that standing.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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No. Obama's father was a British citizen, and therefore owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. As such, Obama is not a natural born citizen.
No, Obama's father was a British citizen. But President Obama never "owed" allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. Whether a foreign sovereignty recognized him or not, because he was born in the United States, he never "owed" allegiance to any country but the United States.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 12:19 PM
 
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No. Obama's father was a British citizen, and therefore not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty. As such, Obama is not a natural born citizen.
No you've apparently decided to make up your own definition for what "owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty" means. It only exempts children of foreign diplomats, and foreign troops here during time of war. Obama Sr. lived here under the jurisdiction of the United States.

For further education read United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

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Originally Posted by TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
 
Old 04-30-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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None of the court cases, Supreme Court or otherwise, directly addresses a definition of natural-born citizen. They talk about citizenship in regards to women's rights, in regards to the rights of Native Americans, in regards to immigrants' rights. Not one of those cases has relevance. Because in the United States we only have two kinds of citizenship, natural-born citizens or naturalized citizens.
Says who? The Supreme Court defined a class of citizens known as native-born. Not natural born, not naturalized, but native-born.

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Since President Obama was never naturalized (ie, went from alien status to citizen status), he has always been accorded natural-born status.
No. Obama's natural born citizen status fails at the point of his father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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No, Obama's father was a British citizen. But President Obama never "owed" allegiance to a foreign sovereignty.
As a British citizen at birth, indeed he did.

Read the naturalization oath again. Citizens of other countries owe allegiance to those countries. The naturalization oath requires them to renounce foreign allegiances.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 12:39 PM
 
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No you've apparently decided to make up your own definition for what "owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty" means.
Not my definition. The U.S. Naturalization Oath's definition.
Oath of Allegiance for Naturalized Citizens
 
Old 04-30-2010, 12:46 PM
 
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As a British citizen at birth, indeed he did.

Read the naturalization oath again. Citizens of other countries owe allegiance to those countries. The naturalization oath requires them to renounce foreign allegiances.
Remind me, what year was Obama naturalized again?
 
Old 04-30-2010, 01:01 PM
 
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Remind me, what year was Obama naturalized again?
He wasn't. He was a British citizen at birth, which he admits, and therefore owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 01:02 PM
 
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LOL this is a great read!

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In 2002, former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney set herself on the path to electoral defeat by paying lip service to 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

Now, eight years later, three Georgia legislators are indulging the fantasies of a new contingent of conspiracy theorists who believe in a different cover-up. These conspiracy theorists, or “birthers,” refuse to accept the constitutional eligibility of President Barack Obama, under the hypothesis that he might not have been born in Honolulu, and that he instead may have engaged in a five-decade-long ruse before his secret foreign birth was exposed via fabricated rumors spread by fringe bloggers with no evidence late in the campaign.
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