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Old 05-01-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by deturmind View Post
Kenyan hospital or American hospital. His mom was too young for Bama to be natural born citizen if he in fact was born outside the US.

I posted that way back, you can find it easily clicking on my profile and choose see all deturmine's posts.
Actually, his mom was too young for Obama to be a citizen at all if he was in fact born outside the US.

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad (http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html - broken link)
"For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

Since his mom was only eighteen when he was born, he would miss out on US citizenship completely (by Mom not meeting the five years after the age of fourteen part) if he was born out of the country.

Last edited by red red rose; 05-01-2010 at 01:53 PM.. Reason: clarity

 
Old 05-01-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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Originally Posted by red red rose View Post
Actually, his mom was too young for Obama to be a citizen at all if he was in fact born outside the US.

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad (http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html - broken link)
"For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

Since his mom was only eighteen when he was born, he would miss out on US citizenship completely (by not meeting the five years after the age of fourteen part) if he was born out of the country.
If if if.....whatever...you have no proof whatsoever that he was born
outside the US
 
Old 05-01-2010, 01:18 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by deturmind View Post
The short form could easily be a fraud. How do you think the illegals get driver licenses?
I have got a copy of my original. It is on file at the town hall. My mother, who still lives in that town, got it for me in 2007. I needed it when I had to surrender my out of state drivers lic. and get one for state I lived in.

It was the long form complete with signatures from the doctor that delivered me and the town clerk.

So don't sit there and tell me you can't get it. If you go to the state offices you will not get the original, you will simply get the record of birth. In Mass., you go to the town hall where your parents lived at the time of your birth. My children where born in Boston but we lived in a small town. In order to registrer my children for school we had to provide thier birth certificates. Well, when we moved those forms where buried in storage. I went to the town hall when I was up there visiting relatives and easily retrieved both certs for a $5.00 fee each.

Don't speak for most of "us". Cause when you mean US you mean LIBERAL LEFTIST. Many of us do want to see it because having an unconstitutional president will cause many legal issues down the road and I don't want to see the country go through that. Every law he signed would be null and void... or would it.... how would existing administration deal with it.

The long form exists, show it! The short form does not matter.
Actually, Informed Consent posted a link to a study done by the Dept. of Health and Human Services about obtaining birth certificates fraudulently. However, this is different than what we are talking about here, unless you are saying that the man who is POTUS is not really Barack Obama, born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Acutally, the way anyone who wants to commit identity theft gets a BC for someone else is to fraudulently obtain one for someone who is about the same age, and preferably dead. This study stated that in 14 states, anyone can walk into a vital statistics office and get a BC for anyone else. Hawaii is NOT one of those states.


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I think it is a well known fact that both his parents were born in the USA. I have been to George Bush Senior's birth place in Massachusetts.

Name a single president that had a foriegn born father post John Quincy Adams ( prior to that many americans had foriegn born parents)

Oh, why not add riduculous comment that McLaim was born in Panama? Duh? Both his parents were born here and US law covers military children born overseas.

So go ahead name one other president after JQ Adams that had a foriegn born parent that was not a naturalized citizen.

Go ahead PLEASE !!!
As stated before, Chester Arthur. Andrew Jackson's parents were born in Ireland a few years before his birth, though they were "grandfathered" in by virtue of being here at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. Funny how these noble "Founding Fathers" grandfathered themselves and a whole lot of people in that way, who did not meet the strict defintion of "NBC" that some here on CD posit. There was a VP, Charles Curtis, whose mother was a Native American and not eligible for citizenship at the time of his birth. Of course, some on this thread posit that the mother's citizenship is irrelevant. Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover both had mothers born outside the US. They may have acquired citizenship by marriage, but also do not meet any strict definition of NBC themselves. There was some doubt about Spiro Agnew's father's citizenship, posted earlier on this thread.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Name a single president that had a foriegn born father post John Quincy Adams ( prior to that many americans had foriegn born parents)
Here are a couple, from wikipedia:

Andrew Jackson was born to Presbyterian Scotch-Irish colonists Andrew and Elizabeth Hutchinson Jackson, on March 15, 1767, approximately two years after they had emigrated from Ireland.

James Buchanan, Jr., was born in a log cabin in Cove Gap, near Harrisburg (now James Buchanan Birthplace State Park), Franklin County, Pennsylvania, on April 23, 1791, to James Buchanan, Sr. (1761–1833), and Elizabeth Speer (1767–1833). His parents were both of Scotch-Irish descent, the father having emigrated from northern Ireland in 1783.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Go back and read it!!!! I certainly did !!! Don't tell me what I did and did not do!!!

I even stated it appeared he was trying to twist it around.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-co...iptlulu109.pdf

[SIZE=4][SIZE=4][LEFT]MCRAE: Was she present when he was born in Kenya?
BROTHER TOM: I think, uh, uh I think--
VOICE (in background): (unintelligible)

BROTHER TOM (in background): He is asking her that, uh, he wants to know something that uh, was uh you, was they, was she present when, ah,[/LEFT]
he was born. Were they they there then?[/SIZE]
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[LEFT]TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes, they say that yes she was.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=1][SIZE=1]22 [/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=4][SIZE=4]She was present when Obama was born.[/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=1][SIZE=1]23[/LEFT]
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[SIZE=4][SIZE=4][LEFT](McRae catches breath)

MCRAE: OK.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=1][SIZE=1]24 [/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=4][SIZE=4]Uh, when I come in December I would like to go by the, the
place, the hospital where he is born. Uh, could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
(Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background:[/LEFT]
"naah?")[/SIZE]
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Dude you just made us NW Houston residents look like complete 'tards. Clean up that mess. Try it out for [size]
 
Old 05-01-2010, 01:33 PM
 
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Oh tough! Too Bad! We have a leftist, lying, socialist, WM Ayers buddy, Renko friend foriegn born muslim president. Yeah tough

Oh tough as he wipes his @ss with the Constitution.Yeah tough

Oh tough when all his leftist agenda comes to an end next year.Yeah tough

Oh tough when records are ordered unsealed and we have to question every law and every executive order he signed.Yeah tough

The longform will show the attending physician and due to its color variations hard to fake.Yeah tough

The short form ... give some Obama Pie to anyone who will take it at the office of Vital records ... tadhah!!! Instant short form cert.Yeah tough

If you are hiding something investigators and procecuters will use that as circumstantial evidence. Maybe not enough on its own for a conviction but enough for an investigation. That is all we want here.Yeah tough

That long form cert. would halt the investigation in its tracks.
Yeah tough You get nothing more than has been released. No court will hear your complaint. Learn to live with it.

"Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid" -- Marion Morrison
 
Old 05-01-2010, 01:39 PM
 
Location: NW Houston
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I do not....why Birther?
Because sheep, it is the point if the entire blog.
Dont waist my time, go graze ...
 
Old 05-01-2010, 01:43 PM
 
Location: NW Houston
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I am always amused when the Birfers themselves volunteer to debunk the oft-heard "He could just release the long form, then the entire thing would be over" line.
I love it when posters cannot get the term correct .. It is birther.
Why not contribute something instead of that garbage!
 
Old 05-01-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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i think you missed the point of my question. some people will still claim that he is ineligible due to the fact that his father is kenyan or the belief that he aquired indonessian citizenship no matter where he was born.
Acquired citizenship, while a minor, through the act of a parent, doesn't effect the citizenship a person was born with. If he did become an Indonesian citizen as a child, it didn't effect any US citizenship he may have had as far as US law is concerned.



Some people believe that he is ineligible due to the fact his father was a British/Kenyan citizen who never became or wanted to be a citizen of the US.

Here's why:

The New Englander And Yale Law Review, Volume 3 (1845):
New Englander and Yale review - Google Books
"The expression ‘citizen of the United States occurs in the clauses prescribing qualifications for Representatives, for Senators, and for President. In the latter, the term ‘natural born citizen’ is used and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states."


And of course, this from the Supreme Court of the US:
MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U. S. 162 :: Volume 88 :: 1874 :: Full Text :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez
"At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens..."
Also:
A treatise on citizenship, by birth and by naturalization (1881)
By Alexander Porter Morse
A treatise on citizenship, by birth ... - Google Books
A citizen, in the largest sense, is any native or naturalized person who is entitled to full protection in the exercise and enjoyment of the so called private rights. The natural-born or native is one who is born in the country, of citizen parents. Page XI
They knew what the definition of "natural born citizen" was, and stated it clearly.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 01:47 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by red red rose View Post
Acquired citizenship, while a minor, through the act of a parent, doesn't effect the citizenship a person was born with. If he did become an Indonesian citizen as a child, it didn't effect any US citizenship he may have had as far as US law is concerned.



Some people believe that he is ineligible due to the fact his father was a British/Kenyan citizen who never became or wanted to be a citizen of the US.

Here's why:

The New Englander And Yale Law Review, Volume 3 (1845):
New Englander and Yale review - Google Books
"The expression ‘citizen of the United States occurs in the clauses prescribing qualifications for Representatives, for Senators, and for President. In the latter, the term ‘natural born citizen’ is used and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states."


And of course, this from the Supreme Court of the US:
MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U. S. 162 :: Volume 88 :: 1874 :: Full Text :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez
"At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens..."
Also:
A treatise on citizenship, by birth and by naturalization (1881)
By Alexander Porter Morse
A treatise on citizenship, by birth ... - Google Books
A citizen, in the largest sense, is any native or naturalized person who is entitled to full protection in the exercise and enjoyment of the so called private rights. The natural-born or native is one who is born in the country, of citizen parents. Page XI
They knew what the definition of "natural born citizen" was, and stated it clearly.
Yet their opinions are essentially meaningless.

The Founding Fathers themselves grandfathered in everyone who was a resident at the time of the ratification of the constitution. You could have arrived the day beofre from abroad, and still be considered a citizen. You could then have a baby the next day, and that child would have been born in the US to a citizen.
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