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Old 05-01-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by red red rose View Post
There are doubts as to whether he was foreign-born or native born.

That is what we need to have determined.
Doubts in the narrow minds of birthers don't count, his Hawaiian COLB, which
Hawaiian officials verified, satisfies rational thinkers.

 
Old 05-01-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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Yet their opinions are essentially meaningless.

The Founding Fathers themselves grandfathered in everyone who was a resident at the time of the ratification of the constitution. You could have arrived the day beofre from abroad, and still be considered a citizen. You could then have a baby the next day, and that child would have been born in the US to a citizen.
"... their opinions are essentially meaningless."



You had to be a citizen of one of the States to become a citizen of the United States at the time of the ratification of the Constitution. They did not make everyone resident in the country, citizen or alien, an automatic citizen of the US.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 02:17 PM
 
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Actually, Informed Consent posted a link to a study done by the Dept. of Health and Human Services about obtaining birth certificates fraudulently. However, this is different than what we are talking about here, unless you are saying that the man who is POTUS is not really Barack Obama, born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Acutally, the way anyone who wants to commit identity theft gets a BC for someone else is to fraudulently obtain one for someone who is about the same age, and preferably dead. This study stated that in 14 states, anyone can walk into a vital statistics office and get a BC for anyone else. Hawaii is NOT one of those states.



As stated before, Chester Arthur. Andrew Jackson's parents were born in Ireland a few years before his birth, though they were "grandfathered" in by virtue of being here at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. Funny how these noble "Founding Fathers" grandfathered themselves and a whole lot of people in that way, who did not meet the strict defintion of "NBC" that some here on CD posit. There was a VP, Charles Curtis, whose mother was a Native American and not eligible for citizenship at the time of his birth. Of course, some on this thread posit that the mother's citizenship is irrelevant. Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover both had mothers born outside the US. They may have acquired citizenship by marriage, but also do not meet any strict definition of NBC themselves. There was some doubt about Spiro Agnew's father's citizenship, posted earlier on this thread.
So what is your point? Do you really think anyone would have questioned Andrew Jackson? Old Hickory would have never put up with that. I guess I should have gone a step further and asked for parents born in a forgiegn land and then returned.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 02:20 PM
 
Location: NW Houston
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Ok but President Obama is not a foreign born child ...
Prove it. Long form cert would prove it.

That is all we want is proof. Not an easily faked document.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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Even if we could prove dude is from Mars and has long tentacles with spikes doesn't matter. By the time impeachment was halfway done his term will be up.

Then he laughs all the way to the bank from speaking engagements and teaching gigs in the Middle East.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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Prove it. Long form cert would prove it.<snip>
Long form cert isn't required, President Obama has already proven it,
it's obvious in the minds of rational thinkers.... he IS the POTUS!
 
Old 05-01-2010, 02:30 PM
 
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Long form cert isn't required, President Obama has already proven it,
it's obvious in the minds of rational thinkers.... he IS the POTUS!
Well sure. But is he rightfully POTUS?

Nope. Not to mention those tentacles....
 
Old 05-01-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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Well sure. But is he rightfully POTUS?<snip>
Yes, as far as most rational people believe.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 02:36 PM
 
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Prove it. Long form cert would prove it.

That is all we want is proof. Not an easily faked document.
You have the proof that's ever going to be furnished. Learn to live with you disappointment.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: NW Houston
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There is essentially nothing in that comment that it true.

By definition and by law, the COLB that Obama released two years ago is a birth certificate. Furthermore, according to the United States Department of State it is absolute legal proof of Obama's citizenship status. I am not just speaking generally here. In their response to the case of Strunk vs. the United States Department of State, the DoS explicitly affirmed that Obama's COLB is genuine and that it constitutes proof of his citizenship. It settles a handful of other Birther theories as well, such as whether Obama had ever been adopted or ever been a citizen of Indonesia.

No to both.


Left wing hack? LOL

Pulleeeze!!
Again, no link no facts just your humble opion... and as Rhinerstonehead states. Your opinion does not matter.

Here is some handy information regarding the federal governments concern over false birth certificates. Most cases are identity theft or for the purpose of obtaining a drivers license.

http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf (broken link)
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