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Old 01-05-2010, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Where We Stand

Socialism is not government control of all aspects of your lives.
Where do you get this idiotic rhetoric? Fox News? Daily Drudge?
I might ask when you began spouting idealistic boilerplate rhetoric as some sort of alternative to the sources you cite, but I will refrain from doing so, and ask only that you consider the permutations which history has shown us that so-called democratic socialism is capable of.
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Old 01-05-2010, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Next, I'm trying to do this slowly so that it will be easier for some to comprehend. Stimulating the Economy that has prevented an utter collapse. It is very likely there will be actual job growth in the next report. The first such occurrence since Jan 2008.
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Old 01-05-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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That is what the tea party movement is about, returning to fiscal responsibility.
still why didnt the tea party movements resurrect during bush presidency... and there werent any disappointments amongs R-conservatives spken out loud..therefore the movements now IMO are partisan based on a just because basis. if people were concern about spending we would have seen this months ago esp during bush bailouts which not many republicans opposed. when obama got in then they opposed.

see the trend
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Old 01-05-2010, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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still why didnt the tea party movements resurrect during bush presidency... and there werent any disappointments amongs R-conservatives spken out loud..therefore the movements now IMO are partisan based on a just because basis. if people were concern about spending we would have seen this months ago esp during bush bailouts which not many republicans opposed. when obama got in then they opposed.

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Indeed. Not unlike the anti-war message which the Democrats proclaimed until Obama decided to turn Afghanistan into Vietnam redux.

They're all guilty of hypocrisy, city414. Our only course is to remain highly suspicious of any political solution to our problems -- particularly when such solutions are justified as morally superior to the opposition.
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Old 01-05-2010, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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still why didnt the tea party movements resurrect during bush presidency... and there werent any disappointments amongs R-conservatives spken out loud..therefore the movements now IMO are partisan based on a just because basis. if people were concern about spending we would have seen this months ago esp during bush bailouts which not many republicans opposed. when obama got in then they opposed.

see the trend
Well I don't know what to say other than you must not have watched the news at all during the final months of Bush's presidency. His poll numbers plummeted because his BASE was disgusted with the spending spree and support of TARP. The tea party movement was born out this and swelled to a crescendo after the enormous stimulus bill was passed without the members of congress even reading it and because it was filled with PORK projects. I am not arguing the validity of the stimulus bill in this thread, as that is off topic, but that's where all this tea party "return to fiscal conservation" movement started.

See unlike some hardline liberals on CD, I can scream foul and call a pig a pig when I see one, even if he happens to be in the party I happen to agree with ideologically. What many libs fail to realize is that the tea partiers are NOT pro-republican. They are just as disgusted with the republican spending spree that occurred because of Bush as they are with its continuance in the current administration. It's really not that hard to understand.
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Old 01-05-2010, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Pa
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The fact is that the Democratic party want's to take care of US citizens, while the republican party is for just ME and big business, and stepping on the backs of others to get to the top. The republican party will use you.
Of all the posts this is the whopper I was waiting for.
The Democratic party wants to take care of US Citizens?
Or Is it that they want complete control and the power that goes with it?
Lets get one thing straight. Both parties are users and abusers. The only difference and I do mean the only difference is the rhetoric they use to get the vote.
What happened in Obama's own state when his seat was vacated? That was no republican selling the seat.
What about in PA. Luzern county? These are not Republican judges that being arrested .
No sir these are politicians. Politicians regardless of which party they are members of are in it for the same reason. POWER
You and I are barely an after thought.
66% of the american public did not agree with the direction of the health care reform bill. And yet???
82% of the American public disapproves of the job Congress has been doing. And yet our elected reps still do not care enough to listen to the voter.
Why? Because history has taught them that they can depend upon party hardliners to re-elect them over and over.
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:44 AM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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Well, one thing for sure -- if history teaches us anything, it's that voting for any party that calls itself "Democratic Socialist" often severely curtails one's necessity to bother with future elections...

Ask the Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, former East Germans, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Albanians, North Koreans, Vietnamese, Cubans, etc.

No, the answer is not centralized government control of all aspects of our lives. That is the opposite of classic liberalism...
You got that right.
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:59 AM
 
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Democrats have had legislative control since 2006. What have they done for us since we elected them? Is our nation better off since then? Economy aside, what benefits have we gained?
They haven't done squat. No wars over, no improvement in the income gap, no improvement in infrastructure/education/anything.

To be fair though, the 6 years of Republican only leadership weren't any better. They pretty much did most of the hole digging and left a nice mess for the dems.
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Old 01-05-2010, 12:12 PM
 
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Well...let's see. Harry Reid has kept nuclear waste out of my backyard. To be fair, so has John Ensign. That's about all I can think of. I don't need the Democrats to do much else, as I can take care of myself.
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Old 01-05-2010, 12:36 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Does higher taxes count? Along with more debt
Ahhhhhhh but they will talk their way into why the higher taxes were needed, along with the debt.
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