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What would be his incentive to "bring the people to their knees financially"?
There are some, and what we have seen of President Obama makes me believe he is among them, who feel that government is the answer to everything, that the people ought to be dependant upon government for as much as possible, that government can run everything better. Bringing people to their knees financially makes them more dependant upon government.
I think Obama made it clear that he is no friend to big insurance companies. His original intent had them HOWLING about how unfair Health Care proposals were....
Let's remember that if true LIBERALS really had their way there'd be a public option included in the bill which the insurance companies are TERRIFIED of....
So let's be careful who we're labelling as "friends to the big insurance companies", because if state goals with regard to health care reform are to be taken at face value, the further right you go on the political spectrum, the more big insurance companies like what you're saying...
If true liberals had their way, we'd have a single-payer option. Most liberals are fighting for the public option because they think it has a chance...which it doesn't. Once we saw single-payer was off the table, the "next best thing" in some people's mind was a public option.
There are some with a D next to their name who sound like they have Rs next to them when they talk about making sure everyone has health insurance. Health insurance does not equal health care.
So let's be careful who we're labelling as "friends to the big insurance companies", because if state goals with regard to health care reform are to be taken at face value, the further right you go on the political spectrum, the more big insurance companies like what you're saying...
Let's remind everyone exactly who has voted AGAINST the House and Senate health care bills (R's), and who really runs Obama's government:
"If President Obama is going to succeed in passing health-care reform legislation this year, he’ll need to go through Ignagni. As president of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), Ignagni is the voice for the companies that offer health, dental, disability and long-term care coverage to millions of Americans. She’ll play a key role in negotiating any legislation that changes the way those companies do business." Karen Ignagni - WhoRunsGov.com, a Wash Post Co
Why are the Dems pushing a bill that benefits insurance companies and big pharma at our expense, while the Republicans have consistently voted against it? Seems Rhett Butler's hypothesis is backwards.
Let me get this right... you think everyone that is uninsured needs to be insured so that they can be protected from a health care crisis... and at the SAME time, you don't think they should pay for that health insurance? I must confess I don't understand liberal thinking...
Health insurance reform DOES have a minimum standard... so the article was outright WRONG with that... States would regulate how the cooperatives run... do you remember the Constitution? What is not delegated to the Federal Government is GIVEN to the states and guess what... its not delegated to the Federal Government...
What corruption? That people who need health insurance are required to have it.... cause we have all heard the complaints of the uninsured that they don't have it... and something that is SUPPOSE to be regulated by the state is actually regulated by the state... OMG... this is so terrible...
Let's remind everyone exactly who has voted AGAINST the House and Senate health care bills (R's), and who really runs Obama's government:
"If President Obama is going to succeed in passing health-care reform legislation this year, he’ll need to go through Ignagni. As president of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), Ignagni is the voice for the companies that offer health, dental, disability and long-term care coverage to millions of Americans. She’ll play a key role in negotiating any legislation that changes the way those companies do business." Karen Ignagni - WhoRunsGov.com, a Wash Post Co
Why are the Dems pushing a bill that benefits insurance companies and big pharma at our expense, while the Republicans have consistently voted against it? Seems Rhett Butler's hypothesis is backwards.
Untrue.... The left had to soften up the bill for it to be more palatable to moderates....
Single Payer, Government Option, etc... These are anathema to the Right, agreed? It's the "Socialist Boogeyman" to conservatives.... Oh, and the mere thought is the BIGGEST fear that big insurance companies have today....
Obama, being the ultra-lefty, pinko, socialist that you all have labelled him would tend to WANT single-payer and/or a government option then, no?
But he and his Communist friends in Congress can't do that because moderates and ESPECIALLY the right don't like the idea..... So instead, we have this option that passed the senate which, some believe, is better than nothing..... However, it MAY very well be a boon to big insurance...
So NOW the right wants to point to Obama and the far left and blame them for being in the pockets of the big insurance companies?
Your basing your original post off an opinion piece. Why not point out the exact provisions in both the house and senate bills that back up what you are saying? All you did was bold a few lines from someone else's opinion on the bill. Fwiw, there will be tighter regulations on insurance comanies in the final compromise and pre-existing will be abolished.
I want true single-payer also, but the upcoming compromise between the house and senate will be a better system than we have now. And that is a start ...
Untrue.... The left had to soften up the bill for it to be more palatable to moderates....
Single Payer, Government Option, etc... These are anathema to the Right, agreed? It's the "Socialist Boogeyman" to conservatives.... Oh, and the mere thought is the BIGGEST fear that big insurance companies have today....
Obama, being the ultra-lefty, pinko, socialist that you all have labelled him would tend to WANT single-payer and/or a government option then, no?
No. Obama states he's gotten 95% of what he wanted.
Quote:
JIM LEHRER: Ninety-five percent of what you wanted?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Absolutely.
But he and his Communist friends in Congress can't do that because moderates and ESPECIALLY the right don't like the idea..... So instead, we have this option that passed the senate which, some believe, is better than nothing..... However, it MAY very well be a boon to big insurance...
So NOW the right wants to point to Obama and the far left and blame them for being in the pockets of the big insurance companies?
Oh that's rich!!!
Who's working with lobbyist Ignagni on the bills? The right, or Obama and the left? Hmmm?
"For the health insurance industry, that means millions of new paying customers. What's more, there are likely to be no limits on what insurers can charge, while at the same time the plan is expected to limit competition from any new national government insurance plan that lawmakers create. These anticipated wins -- from an initiative that has at times been portrayed as doomsday for health insurers -- is the result of a strategy developed by one of Washington's savviest lobbyists, Karen Ignagni. Under Ignagni's leadership, the industry group America's Health Insurance Plans adopted the goal of universal coverage while setting out to shape it in a way that benefited insurers -- a crucial move that aligned their interests with those of other groups, including consumers and hospitals. Insurers poured campaign donations into the coffers of key sympathetic members of the House and Senate, and loaded up on lobbyists." Insurers poised to reap benefits from healthcare overhaul - Los Angeles Times Karen Ignagni - WhoRunsGov.com, a Wash Post Co
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