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Old 01-07-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Our jobs have left us, because we demanded to much money for our employment. This is just a natural effect. Jobs will return to America, when the balance is reached. That balance is, when Americans are willing to work for less money vs. the cost of importation.


And that only happened after we eliminated trade tariffs.
Make importation cost more by tariff taxes and reducing our deficit, along with creating millions and millions of jobs. Bringing back our industry, that we now rely on China, India... and the rest. We are not self supported.

Just think if China got mad and said, no more imports for you. Where would you be? Tariffs will bring our industry back, at a cost to availability, until America can get it back in gear.

We did well all through the 50' & 60's with very little imports, and we did not export much of anything but charity and aide, to rebuild European countries after WWII. America was self supported. We-our workers were the highest paid of all nations, yet nothing was over price of the day. Now they want to compare to Chinese and 3rd world foreign produced cost. YOU will never compete on that level unless you come down to that level. In other words a dictatorship, with a communist run country.

You see this global economy, has us headed straight in that direction. I say screw the global economy, and lets get back to what made us strong. Americans looking out for Americans. Self supporting nations are historically always the strongest and where people of other nations want to be.
Strong and powerful has many advantages over being weak like the others.

I hope America wakes up and makes the decision to get back to where we were, before this global crap.
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Old 01-07-2010, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Having worked in one of the major industries for 36 years, steel, I feel qualified to comment on the loss of much of this industry in our country. Ten of those years were in the union and the remainder twenty-six in management. I always felt the wages and benefits bargained for were legitimate. The work schedule/hours, environment and the dangers associated with the jobs were real and took a toll on your life as well as the families.
The companies exploited the customers and the government for every penny they could get. I do have to say one thing though, the quality of any product we produced was far beyond any of our foreign competitors. The company was slow to advance in technologies and the union fought it as well.
To say the least, "We are our worst enemy" in this country and still are.
Also after WW2 we rebuilt the German & Japanese steel factories more modern and efficient. That with cheap labor almost killed our steel industry.
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Old 01-07-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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An email I just got.

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If this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next, followed by DELL, AT&T and AOL customer service reps. Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened not to send us any more candidates for President, either. This may get ugly, people.
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Old 01-07-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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Not true.

While it did lead to a decrease in farming jobs, it also lead to a significant decrease in the cost of foods. The Earths population has grown, and to feed the ever growing number of people on this planet, we needed enhanced farming methods. Now I'm not talking about Beef, because cattle is actually a bad form of farming. However, corn and grains are a good form of farming. Thats part of the reason why its our number one crop.

Technology isn't killing manufacturing jobs in this country in large numbers, yet. If any technology is killing our manufacturing jobs, its transportation.

Its this simple. If you own a business, and can pay an employee 20 dollars an hour, or you can pay someone 20 dollars a day, who are you going to hire?

People want jobs to stay in America, but they also want cheap electronics and clothes. You can't have it both ways, if an American company could make a wide spread American TV, on the cheap, they'd do it. Oh wait, they already are. Vizio is an American company, and they do quite well. Ford has a good product right now, so they are making money.

Our jobs have left us, because we demanded to much money for our employment. This is just a natural effect. Jobs will return to America, when the balance is reached. That balance is, when Americans are willing to work for less money vs. the cost of importation.

If anything, we should be pushing automation more. If we could develop robotics that can be used for multiple purposes, on the cheap, we could take over industry again. Of course, many people will be out of a job because of that as well.

We can't simply go backwards in technology to save jobs though. There are simply to many people on this planet for everyone to put down their PC, and start growing small farms. There isn't enough good farm land out there for every person on the planet to get 20 acres. Thats what it takes, with conventional farming to feed one family, about 20 acres. The industrialized farming that we have today increases yield considerably.
Strong post; very realistic...
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Old 01-07-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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WALMART Walmarts pricing practices forced most of their suppliers overseas for cheap labor.

Walmart is the world's largest public corporation by revenue. Wal-Mart is the largest private employer and the largest grocery retailer in the US.

Check out this article.

"If people were only consumers, buying things at lower prices would be just good. But people also are workers who need to earn a decent standard of living," says economist Larry Mishel of the Economic Policy Institute. "The dynamics that create lower prices at Wal-Mart and other places are also undercutting the ability of many, many workers to earn decent wages and benefits and have a stable life."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../synopsis.html

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Old 01-07-2010, 11:20 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Import tariffs do 2 things.

It brings jobs back to America
The revenue produced, reduces our debt, strengthening our dollar, which was once what all other currency was measured by.

Tell me how those two effects are a bad thing for Americans and America as a sovereign nation.
Please someone explain to me how import trade tariffs are a bad thing!!!!
There has to be something wrong with them, or they would still be in place. What changed and where are we going globally because of it.

The Service Employees International Union is behind it all, with their political corruption. They were no longer growing in America. Their usefulness once good has turned into corruption and political payoffs. The private sector can no longer afford union, because of no trade import tariffs.

They expanded, and have you noticed the number of legal immigrants that are let in every year. Working in unions, keeping union wages stagnant and sometimes lower. Collective bargining for each project has been going down and down. Lower paid illegals are even in unions to keep cost down.

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Old 01-07-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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It's always interesting to read when GOP stalwarts, the ones always supporting capitolism and free enterprise, starting talking like trade unionists when discussing raising tariffs to discourage imports. Captains of industry, a largely GOP bunch, have no qualms at all about accepting cheap shipments from other nations, at the expense of American workers. In fact, they will laugh about it, all the way to the bank; they just prefer that you don't read about it in the papers...

The irony is killing me...........
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Old 01-07-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It's always interesting to read when GOP stalwarts, the ones always supporting capitolism and free enterprise, starting talking like trade unionists when discussing raising tariffs to discourage imports.

I lean conservative, but share some liberal views.
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Old 01-07-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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I lean conservative, but share some liberal views.
Understood, but this is the basic problem: many Americans want to support Amrican industry, but they also want to pay the lowest price possible; these two views are not usually compatible, as another poster pointed out..
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Free trade cost us our manufacturing.
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