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Old 01-06-2010, 05:36 PM
 
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Much has been made of the terrorist getting on board that aircraft at Christmastime.

Why doesn't the senate just call in and rake over the coals the head of the TSA as he is the one that is reponsable for this oversight?
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:45 PM
 
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This is sort of a two-pronged issue. The TSA nominee has not been confirmed, so technically TSA doesn't have a leader to rake over the coals. With that being said, Janet Napolitano is the head of the Dept. of Homeland Security, which shoulders the ultimate responsibility. We saw how she reacted to the Christmas terrorist event, and I can say without hesitation that my confidence is not inspired by her actions or her words.
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:47 PM
 
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The TSA nominee has not been confirmed,
Wonder why that is...


Who's running the TSA? No one, thanks to Sen. Jim DeMint | McClatchy
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:50 PM
 
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Much has been made of the terrorist getting on board that aircraft at Christmastime.

Why doesn't the senate just call in and rake over the coals the head of the TSA as he is the one that is reponsable for this oversight?
One other point. As former head of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff pointed out on Meet the Press, Homeland Security and specifically TSA are consumers of intelligence not producers as a result, it the FBI, CIA, NSA and other producers of intelligence don't place it in the system, TSA isn't going to be able see it.
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:54 PM
 
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One other point. As former head of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff pointed out on Meet the Press, Homeland Security and specifically TSA are consumers of intelligence not producers as a result, it the FBI, CIA, NSA and other producers of intelligence don't place it in the system, TSA isn't going to be able see it.
I heard on a talk show that the kid didn't even have a passport along with a few other red flags. If this is true then TSA seriously needs to have some heads roll on this one.
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Old 01-06-2010, 06:10 PM
 
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I heard on a talk show that the kid didn't even have a passport along with a few other red flags. If this is true then TSA seriously needs to have some heads roll on this one.
Heads should roll, the question is whose? Having traveled rather extensively, I find it hard to believe that Mr. Mutallab got through security, much less the boarding agent without presenting a passport. As for the other "red flags", as I mentioned, that intelligence falls to other agencies other than TSA. If you have ever gone through security at a foreign airport you should know that TSA doesn't handle security for boarding passengers, the relevant security agency of that nation does.
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Old 01-06-2010, 06:15 PM
 
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Heads should roll, the question is whose? Having traveled rather extensively, I find it hard to believe that Mr. Mutallab got through security, much less the boarding agent without presenting a passport. As for the other "red flags", as I mentioned, that intelligence falls to other agencies other than TSA. If you have ever gone through security at a foreign airport you should know that TSA doesn't handle security for boarding passengers, the relevant security agency of that nation does.
Foreign heads should roll then.
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Old 01-06-2010, 06:27 PM
 
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You seem like a reasonable sort, so I will continue down this road...

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Foreign heads should roll then.
Foreign and domestic!

Apparently the report on the failures will be issued some time this week, I eagerly await reading it.

There are 650,000 flights that take off from foreign airports bound for the U.S. each year, according to the GAO which unfortunately makes it virtually impossible for the TSA to place its own personnel in those airports. Even the U.S. Customs is in place in only a few foreign locations mostly in Canada, the Caribbean, and Ireland, for what is called Preclearance, so we will continue to be at the mercy of foreign security for the foreseeable future.

According to the GAO report that I linked to, TSA does conduct periodic inspections and reviews of those foreign entry points, is that enough? I think that is a worthwhile discussion in itself.
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Old 01-06-2010, 06:59 PM
 
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He had a passport and valid visa.
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Old 01-06-2010, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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One other point. As former head of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff pointed out on Meet the Press, Homeland Security and specifically TSA are consumers of intelligence not producers as a result, it the FBI, CIA, NSA and other producers of intelligence don't place it in the system, TSA isn't going to be able see it.
Could you please explain how 1 Republican can hold up a confirmation? That is as stupid as the Republicans holding up heath care reform. So lame!
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