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Old 01-09-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Is Rahm Emanuel a Jew and is David Axelrod a Jew?
Um...last time I checked, yeah, both are in fact Jews.

 
Old 01-09-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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The implication--a correct and serious one--is that a preponderance of one ethnic group in one profession may influence policies in a direction that favors its own interests at the expense of others'. In baseball, this is not a serious threat to anyone's well-being. In politics, it certainly can be.
This is the nutty kind of thinking we saw in the 60's when the bigots were out in full force claiming Kennedy would be following the dictates of the Pope. Because one is of a certain religion doesn't make their allegiance to this country less.

It certainly took a few posts but I am grateful you have revealed your anti-semitism.
 
Old 01-09-2010, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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This is the nutty kind of thinking we saw in the 60's when the bigots were out in full force claiming Kennedy would be following the dictates of the Pope. Because one is of a certain religion doesn't make their allegiance to this country less.

It certainly took a few posts but I am grateful you have revealed your anti-semitism.
Point one: I was raised in a mainly Catholic tradition, and I think there is nothing whatsoever wrong with questioning a Catholic politician's devotion to the separation of church and state, considering that the Catholic church still appears to oppose the idea on principle. Nor is there anything wrong in querying people who are seeking public office about their views on so-called papal infallibility.

Some of the hullaballoo surrounding Kennedy in 1960 (and Al Smith in 1928) was indeed silly and excessive. But there was nothing fundamentally wrong with there being some questions asked.

Point two: in the context in which it is being discussed, "Jewish" is an ethnic description, not a "religion". I would expect, if all other things are equal, that Jews will normally be somewhat biased in favor of other Jews, Spaniards in favor of Spaniards, Poles in favor of Poles, Americans in favor of Americans, etc. That isn't "bigotry", it's a recognition of human nature.
 
Old 01-09-2010, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Point one: I was raised in a mainly Catholic tradition, and I think there is nothing whatsoever wrong with questioning a Catholic politician's devotion to the separation of church and state, considering that the Catholic church still appears to oppose the idea on principle. Nor is there anything wrong in querying people who are seeking public office about their views on so-called papal infallibility.

Some of the hullaballoo surrounding Kennedy in 1960 (and Al Smith in 1928) was indeed silly and excessive. But there was nothing fundamentally wrong with there being some questions asked.

Point two: in the context in which it is being discussed, "Jewish" is an ethnic description, not a "religion". I would expect, if all other things are equal, that Jews will normally be somewhat biased in favor of other Jews, Spaniards in favor of Spaniards, Poles in favor of Poles, Americans in favor of Americans, etc. That isn't "bigotry", it's a recognition of human nature.

This is a startling response. This is very outdated thinking. I think it would be beyond inappropriate to ask Obama if his ability to treat all Americans fairly was compromised because he is black. The question would be beyond offensive. Yet according to your above response you think it would be wholly appropriate.

It is bigotry, people didn't question Kennedy's affinity for Ireland, they questioned his religion. It is completely out of bounds to question a Catholic politicians view of papal infallibility. Judge them on their views. Who cares if they are against abortion because of their religious convictions? Of course "Jewish" is a religion.
 
Old 01-10-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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This is a startling response. This is very outdated thinking. I think it would be beyond inappropriate to ask Obama if his ability to treat all Americans fairly was compromised because he is black. The question would be beyond offensive. Yet according to your above response you think it would be wholly appropriate.
Technically speaking, Barack Obama is biracial. But setting that aside, and speaking as someone who voted for him--is it really that out of order to merely consider whether he might be biased in favor of black Americans? If so, why?

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It is bigotry, people didn't question Kennedy's affinity for Ireland, they questioned his religion. It is completely out of bounds to question a Catholic politicians view of papal infallibility. Judge them on their views. Who cares if they are against abortion because of their religious convictions? Of course "Jewish" is a religion.
"Jewish" is absolutely NOT a religion in the sense it is normally employed. The modern Israeli state was founded primarily by socialist atheists, and Jews living in the west are among the most secular ethnic groups (which is a point in their favor imo, although that's neither here nor there.)

Sorry, I do care whether a politician's opposition to abortion is from religious convictions. If the opposition comes from a general ethic of life, I can understand it even if I disagree. If it comes from "religion", it probably is accompanied by 85 other idiotic views that I have neither the time nor inclination to sort through. If that makes me a bigot, make the most of it.
 
Old 01-10-2010, 03:52 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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Some Jews,usually the leftwing,with mixed marriages regard Judaism a religion,some others,usually the rightwing ,without mixed marriages,a nation...
Some regard themselves as cultural Jews ( S.J Parker-M. Broderic),others as non-practicing ( Spitzer)...
As I understand,there is not a unified view of Judaism among Jews themselves...
That probably strengthens...Judaism...
 
Old 01-10-2010, 05:28 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Do Jews dominate the US government? If it is so why is it the case?

Well I believe that the Jews are represented by a very powerful lobby called AIPAC.

Please be respectful, and no hate speech in this thread.
Who cares? As a Christian, I would sooner vote for a Jew than an unbeliver. Christians are "Jews by adoption". Jews are our brothers and sisters. I respect them as any Christians I know. I have known many Jewish believers (Christian Jews). There are none more passionate. They are true believers, and I love them. Much to learn from them.

One of our clients were Jews. So special are they to us, even to this day. They invited us to their daughters Botmitzfa (not sure if I spelled it right). We were so honored. We love them. Great people.

We also had Jews in our Evangelical churches that we attended in San Diego, and in Sandy Lake, PA.

We love them all.
 
Old 01-10-2010, 05:38 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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What makes you think they do, because they have a lobby?
Right. A lot of groups have "a lobby" So what?
 
Old 01-10-2010, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Dominate? I don't know about that but I think its obvious that they have a lot of influence. The virtual blank check of support that Israel enjoys is a strong indicator. No other ally enjoys such support.
 
Old 01-10-2010, 05:47 PM
 
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Who is the..."ally ":...?
The French & the Germans who sided with Russia,blocking Georgia's & Macedonia's entry to NATO ?
The non -participants in Kuwait ,Iraq & Afghanistan military campaigns?
The only true allies of USA are Britain & Israel...
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