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Old 03-07-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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The Holocene climatic optimum was reached 8000 years ago, and since then there has been a very gradual cooling... at least until the 20th century, when the temperature suddenly shot up.
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And would you prefer that to the temperatures suddenly shooting downwards?

 
Old 03-07-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Here is a bit of basic science for you....

How global warming fuels hurricanes.

Hurricanes feed off warm ocean water. In the ocean's hurricane nurseries, heat rising from the ocean turns into water vapor.
Let me correct you a bit. The heat input from the sun provides the latent heat of vaporization that is needed to add water vapor to the air. Warmer air caries more water vapor than cooler air does.
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As the vapor rises and cools, it condenses into rain. This releases heat, which helps strengthen circulating tropical cyclones.
The vertical movement of air in the eye wall draws in air from the bottom outside and also the central downdraft or eye. More heat in the Ocean makes for stronger hurricanes. The Ocean has a stinking large thermal mass and it takes thousands of years to heat up. The surface doesn't have as much thermal mass and so reacts faster.
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Warmer oceans mean more water vapor, and more intense storms. Future Hurricanes More Frequent and More Intense By 2100 |Climate Change

This is undeniable, as heat is energy.
Largely true.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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Tornado warning systems weren't accurate until 1948, and have improved a lot since then.
When did NASA start homogenizing deaths??? (and why wasn't that data included in the footnotes?)


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Actually climate activists, unlike deniers, rely on NASA and science for our "drivel"...Deniers rely on propaganda, or their own uneducated opinions....
Propaganda, even when wrapped in the good name of NASA, is still propaganda.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Austin
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You are grasping at straws.......In 1900, communication was very limited, hurricane forecasts didn't exist, neither did evacuation notices. Warnings, if there were any would be too late....You cannot compare the horse and buggy days to modern times....
You are grasping at even more straws. You cannot compare statistics today to 100 and more years ago when there were lots of tornadoes and hurricanes that nobody saw or recorded. You also cannot compare temperatures today with 100 - 200 years ago when there were very few weather stations, poor record keeping and technology. So I agree, "You cannot compare the horse and buggy days to modern times" but that hasn't stopped the AGW alarmists from doing so.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 02:52 PM
 
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And even more scary weather;

A record-breaking cold morning in Washington and across the Northeast - The Washington Post

If trends continue, wonder what will happen. . .

evidence of cooling?

a fluke?
No. Not a fluke and not evidence of cooling.

I guess you missed this:

The Arctic connection and the polar vortex: A look at recent North American winters

Evidence linking Arctic amplification to extreme weather in mid-latitudes
Francis, J. A., and S. J. Vavrus (2012), Evidence linking Arctic amplification
to extreme weather in mid-latitudes, Geophys. Res. Lett., 39, L06801,
doi:10.1029/2012GL051000.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...ortex/21793077

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Old 03-07-2015, 02:56 PM
 
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Still on this topic....I see the usual mudslinging from the cultists towards people that don't buy their lies. You global warmers/climate change cultists have a real bad track record, mostly for lying, and what you say will happen never materializes.
Irony meter just went off the scales.... again.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:02 PM
 
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Default Thin clouds help melt Greenlands Ice sheet.

Clouds Contributed to Record Greenland Ice Melt | Arctic Climate Change

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Climate models often underestimate the occurrence of these clouds, thus limiting their ability to predict Arctic climate change and other phenomena. This new research suggests this kind of cloud is present about 30 percent to 50 percent of the time over both Greenland and across the Arctic, said Ralf Bennartz, lead author of the study and an atmospheric physicist at the University of Wisconsin at Madison.
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"A very narrow range of cloud thickness allows for amplification of surface warming," Bennartz told OurAmazingPlanet. "This shows how well we have to understand individual components of the climate system, such as clouds, in order to accurately understand the system as a whole."
A small error in underlying assumptions can lead to a large error in results. I tend to agree with the AGW crowd that man caused global warming is happening although what we should do about it is an open question.

One of the cross links said more melt water in 2012 than in an year from when they started keeping records 30 years ago.

Adding fresh water to the sea water there tends to cool the winters off. So the cooler than average winter on the east coast could have been affected by that melt water.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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Actually climate activists, unlike deniers, rely on NASA and science for our "drivel"...Deniers rely on propaganda, or their own uneducated opinions....
I like that one.

I really do. But then again I'm not a denier so you couldn't have been talking about me.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You are grasping at even more straws. You cannot compare statistics today to 100 and more years ago when there were lots of tornadoes and hurricanes that nobody saw or recorded. You also cannot compare temperatures today with 100 - 200 years ago when there were very few weather stations, poor record keeping and technology. So I agree, "You cannot compare the horse and buggy days to modern times" but that hasn't stopped the AGW alarmists from doing so.
So why did you make the comparison then? Weather has been recorded a lot longer than you think....

NOAA 200th: Weather Observations
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I like that one.

I really do. But then again I'm not a denier so you couldn't have been talking about me.
But I could have been talking about your opinions.....

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