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Old 03-07-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Irony meter just went off the scales.... again.
This one has PKS (Pot kettle syndrome)

 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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But I could have been talking about you opinions.....
But I'm not a denier. I'm a believer, I just think it is a good idea to warm things up to stop the progressing ice age.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:14 PM
 
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No. Not a fluke and not evidence of cooling.

I guess you missed this:

The Arctic connection and the polar vortex: A look at recent North American winters

Evidence linking Arctic amplification to extreme weather in mid-latitudes
Francis, J. A., and S. J. Vavrus (2012), Evidence linking Arctic amplification
to extreme weather in mid-latitudes, Geophys. Res. Lett., 39, L06801,
doi:10.1029/2012GL051000.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...ortex/21793077

Polar Vortex: The Most Misused Weather Term of 2014

Revisiting the evidence linking Arctic amplification to extreme weather in mid-latitudes
Elizabeth A. Barnes (2013)
GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 40, 1–6, doi:10.1002/grl.50880, 2013
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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But I'm not a denier. I'm a believer, I just think it is a good idea to warm things up to stop the progressing ice age.
What progressing ice age? Do you think it's a good idea no matter how many people and animals it kills? How Heat Kills : Discovery News

An estimated 70,000 people died when parts of Europe boiled in the summer of 2003, according to a history of that heat wave being compiled by Richard Keller, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. In contrast, the death toll from 2005's Hurricane Katrina, which ravaged New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, was 1,836. Why Heat Waves Can Mean High Death Tolls
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:19 PM
 
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And would you prefer that to the temperatures suddenly shooting downwards?
No.

But that isn't happening.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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In conjunction with the one-day symposium “Living in the Anthropocene: Prospects for Climate, Economics, Health, and Security,” the Smithsonian has released the following statement on climate change: Smithsonian Statement on Climate Change | Newsdesk

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A pressing need exists for information that will improve our understanding of climate trends, determine the causes of the changes that are occurring and decrease the risks posed to humans and nature.
from your link.

One question is what would be happening if we aren't warming the environment? Is our actions reducing the risk of the otherwise natural changes that would be happening?

Less AGW we have a slight cooling trend. With the expansion of ice sheets this brings then the outcome is ice age. The estimate that was given back in 1972 was that it would take 10,000 years to fully develop.

There are some kinds of events that can speed up this long term natural cooling trend. Equatorial volcanos, the collapse of the Greenland ice sheet, excess runoff into the North Atlantic, or Artic Oceans just to name a few.

But no one is looking at these things.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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from your link.

One question is what would be happening if we aren't warming the environment? Is our actions reducing the risk of the otherwise natural changes that would be happening?

Less AGW we have a slight cooling trend. With the expansion of ice sheets this brings then the outcome is ice age. The estimate that was given back in 1972 was that it would take 10,000 years to fully develop.

There are some kinds of events that can speed up this long term natural cooling trend. Equatorial volcanos, the collapse of the Greenland ice sheet, excess runoff into the North Atlantic, or Artic Oceans just to name a few.

But no one is looking at these things.
How do you think the collapse of the Greenland ice sheet would contribute to cooling?
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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Good Lord... I can't believe we are still debating this. Over 99% of the Worlds climate scientists are telling us it's happening. The ONLY scientists that are saying otherwise work for oil companies.

If 99% of structural engineers told you that you shouldn't go into a building, would you go in anyway?

The climate change deniers are just embarrassing.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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What progressing ice age? Do you think it's a good idea no matter how many people and animals it kills? How Heat Kills : Discovery News
File:Holocene Temperature Variations Rev.png - Global Warming Art And how many people died in the little ice age? You want to talk crop failure. Nothing like frost to make crops fail.
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An estimated 70,000 people died when parts of Europe boiled in the summer of 2003, according to a history of that heat wave being compiled by Richard Keller, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. In contrast, the death toll from 2005's Hurricane Katrina, which ravaged New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, was 1,836. Why Heat Waves Can Mean High Death Tolls
How many people would die if ice covered all of Canada and Russia's bread basket as well?
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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How do you think the collapse of the Greenland ice sheet would contribute to cooling?
Younger Dryas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the same way the collapse of the north American ice sheet triggered the Younger Dryas.
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