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Old 10-01-2014, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Once again. If science is for sale, it's naive and stupid to think that only the skeptical scientists or the ones who disagree with your opinions are the ones being bribed.
They are the only ones where there is evidence of bribery, or can you prove me wrong on this?

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A think tank partly funded by Exxon Mobil sent letters to scientists offering them up to $10,000 to critique findings in a major global warming study released Friday which found that global warming was real and likely caused by burning fossil fuels. The American Enterprise Institute sent the letters to scientists offering them $10,000, plus travel and other expenses, to highlight the shortcomings in a report from the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group widely considered to be the authority on climate change science.
Exxon-funded group

 
Old 10-01-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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They are the only ones where there is evidence of bribery, or can you prove me wrong on this?

Exxon-funded group
Wow. $10,000 versus the billions of dollars the US budget hands out to groups like NASA, the NSA and the EPA who have been caught fabricating data and attempting to diminish skeptical findings in favor of more alarmism.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Wow. $10,000 versus the billions of dollars the US budget hands out to groups like NASA, the NSA and the EPA who have been caught fabricating data and attempting to diminish skeptical findings in favor of more alarmism.
Oh, then you think scientists should be doing science as a hobby?....When you consider what the possible results of AGW could be in the future everyone should be alarmed.....
 
Old 10-02-2014, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Do some research on the amounts of "greenhouse" gasses (if those even exist) that they are discovering are being emitted from under ocean venting. Vast amounts of methane, CO2, H2S and other gasses are being pumped out and filtering into the air through the oceans.

Something that your heroes in the AGW Community are probably not reporting. What man produces? Small potatoes compared to that.
Well, which is it? Do they exist or not? What a hoot. You are trying to argue that non-existent greenhouse gases nonetheless are of no consequence because they are naturally ocurring. Do I have that right. Well... carbon dioxide does exist and you ought to be happy it does because the grass that fed your steak needs it to live. And the methane that your steak... ...releases... that's real too. So... not just oceans but forest woodlands as well and we are adding to that. A passenger sedan produces 6 tons of CO2 in a year of 12,000 miles. It adds up fast, you have tractor trailer rigs putting out that kind of tonnage in a month. Millions of them around the world. You don't think it comes close to the natural output of the oceans? You don't want to think it does. You have willfully suspended your sense of proportion. Your common sense. Fine. You go ahead. The tide is changing. Instead of being a minority of Americans, those who believe the evidence of their eyes and other senses are beginning to outnumber those who want to remain in denial. The rumblings of discontent with the status quo do nothing attitude is starting to get audible. Hopefully it is not too late.

H
 
Old 10-02-2014, 05:32 PM
 
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Well, which is it? Do they exist or not? What a hoot. You are trying to argue that non-existent greenhouse gases nonetheless are of no consequence because they are naturally ocurring. Do I have that right. Well... carbon dioxide does exist and you ought to be happy it does because the grass that fed your steak needs it to live. And the methane that your steak... ...releases... that's real too. So... not just oceans but forest woodlands as well and we are adding to that. A passenger sedan produces 6 tons of CO2 in a year of 12,000 miles. It adds up fast, you have tractor trailer rigs putting out that kind of tonnage in a month. Millions of them around the world. You don't think it comes close to the natural output of the oceans? You don't want to think it does. You have willfully suspended your sense of proportion. Your common sense. Fine. You go ahead. The tide is changing. Instead of being a minority of Americans, those who believe the evidence of their eyes and other senses are beginning to outnumber those who want to remain in denial. The rumblings of discontent with the status quo do nothing attitude is starting to get audible. Hopefully it is not too late.

H
Rumblings of discontent? Australia and Canada scrapped carbon tax. China talks the talk but will co nothing if it hurts their economy.

Your apocalyptic message is falling more and more on deaf ears. Remember the little boy who cried wolf once too many times.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Rumblings of discontent? Australia and Canada scrapped carbon tax. China talks the talk but will co nothing if it hurts their economy.

Your apocalyptic message is falling more and more on deaf ears. Remember the little boy who cried wolf once too many times.
You are misinformed again....Canada has never had a carbon tax federally (We have a conservative climate denier piece of crap prime minister), but three provinces do have a carbon tax, Alberta, BC and Quebec.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Where you aren't
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Oh, then you think scientists should be doing science as a hobby?....When you consider what the possible results of AGW could be in the future everyone should be alarmed.....
You're scared of theories Results are not reality, again it is theory.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You're scared of theories Results are not reality, again it is theory.
Yes it is theory, so is gravity, evolution, plate tectonics, relativity, big bang theory, electromagnatism etc....I suppose you don't believe in these either, right?

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 03:25 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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In conjunction with the one-day symposium “Living in the Anthropocene: Prospects for Climate, Economics, Health, and Security,” the Smithsonian has released the following statement on climate change: Smithsonian Statement on Climate Change | Newsdesk
 
Old 10-04-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Where you aren't
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Yes it is theory, so is gravity, evolution, plate tectonics, relativity, big bang theory, electromagnatism etc....I suppose you don't believe in these either, right?

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

Oh I see, you've created a straw man saying, if I don't believe in global warming/climate change theories, then I must not believe in something else.... Now that is incredibly dishonest debate.
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