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You're so very right. One is an accredited and acknowledged term, used by civilized nations. The other is a BS made-up phrase whose sole purpose is to sound better than "nonperson with no rights". But you were the one who started out with the POW nonsense.
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please tell me who was hanged for waterboarding
I stand corrected. Yukio Asano wasn't actually hanged, merely sentenced to 15 years of hard labor at his war crimes tribunal.
Waterboarding was a favorite in the Imperial Japanese Army - and Pol Pot's torturers used it as well, to great effect. Waterboard somebody long enough, and he'll confess to counter-revolutionary activity. Great for filling mass graves. Worthless for actual intelligence gathering.
Right now as it stands the process is contradictory. Sometimes we treat them one way, sometimes another. For example, Hasan (Ft. Hood shooter) is being tried differently. Yet, he's a terrorist.
Underwear bomber will be tried in our court system. Don't be surprised if his lawyer pleads mental instability /insanity (no kidding!) and he gets a lighter sentence. And then he'll have access to TV, the internet, libraries, physical exercise...all of it. Maybe - not maybe -- definitely even a special diet and a prayer rug. And visitors. Let's not forget the visitors.
Not excusing what he did, but what makes him different than let's say a Timothy McVeigh, beside his religious background? He is a natural born US citizen. I'm always hearing Islamic terrorist..Islamic terrorist, from the right, but we also need to not forgot other people who are just as equally crazy.
Not excusing what he did, but what makes him different than let's say a Timothy McVeigh, beside his religious background? He is a natural born US citizen. I'm always hearing Islamic terrorist..Islamic terrorist, from the right, but we also need to not forgot other people who are just as equally crazy.
All I'm saying is that there is inconsistency in how these people are handled and tried, and that may easily convey that the US doesn't know what to do and how to do it.
You're so very right. One is an accredited and acknowledged term, used by civilized nations. The other is a BS made-up phrase whose sole purpose is to sound better than "nonperson with no rights". But you were the one who started out with the POW nonsense.
I stand corrected. Yukio Asano wasn't actually hanged, merely sentenced to 15 years of hard labor at his war crimes tribunal.
Waterboarding was a favorite in the Imperial Japanese Army - and Pol Pot's torturers used it as well, to great effect. Waterboard somebody long enough, and he'll confess to counter-revolutionary activity. Great for filling mass graves. Worthless for actual intelligence gathering.
the term came from the third Geneva convention of 1949.
the United States took into custody over five hundred individuals they labeled enemy combatants. This designation, which is also referred to as unlawful combatants, gives detainees fewer rights than those conferred on prisoners of war by the Third Geneva Convention (1949).
According to the articles of the convention, a lawful combatant must be part of an organized command structure; wear openly visible emblems to identify themselves as non-civilians; carry arms out in the open; and respect the Rules of War, which would include not taking hostages.
so either they are enemy Combatants, POWs or civilian prisoners.
which ever one you wish to call them will determine the treatment and method of trial.
An enemy combatant or a POW can be tried by a military tribunal. A civilian must be tried by a civilian court. Bush labeled the gitmo gang enemy combatants , Obama has made them a civilian
A quote from the link:
"McCain is referencing the Tokyo Trials, officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as 'water cure,' 'water torture' and 'waterboarding,' according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning." Politifact went on to report, "A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps."
All I'm saying is that there is inconsistency in how these people are handled and tried, and that may easily convey that the US doesn't know what to do and how to do it.
Not a good thing to project IMHO.
I see what you are saying, but each case & situation is different. I just think the right is overreacting to this whole. They act like the Obama Administration is going to let him go or give him probation. This guy is going to go a federal maximum security prison. It's ironic that the Bush Administration did the same thing with Richard Reid, but you didn't hear the same rhetoric from the left that you are hearing from right now.
kudos to the president for coming to an understanding we are at a war with Al Queda. Now please treat it like a war. And treat the soldiers of this war as soldiers at war.
Oh..but I thought you were "prolife".
Funny how the "prolifers" are the ones who are ALWAYS drooling over some sort of war.
If he thinks we are at war why does he insist on civilian trial for prisoners of war
You got a good point with that one!
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