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Old 01-08-2010, 10:58 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Well see the thing is....I simply cannot agree with some key conservative things. I believe in conservative fiscal policies but never social. I am not a Christian, I am for gay marriage and most importantly I believe in being pro choice. Most conservatives candidates are not into the whole pro choice/pro gay marriage thing.

You find Carter despicable? Well, I will tell you one thing. I am old enough to barely remember the Clinton years. I think Carter is nice. LOL. I don't know much about his politics admittedly but do believe he was a good man at heart.

I like conservative policies and liberalism. I understand when people say "Why the hell should I work when the bum over there gets welfare checks?:

TRUE but at the same time, I feel that someone in need should be helped. When it is ABUSED, then it is a problem.

Anyways, we're getting off topic but thanks for the talk.


socially liberal, and fiscally conservative.

ahh, a Libertarian in the making.
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Old 01-08-2010, 11:07 PM
 
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?!?!? The guy was released by the Bush administration?!?1?
I would assume to appease the left, since they were screaming their heads off about Gitmo...
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Old 01-08-2010, 11:10 PM
 
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While many debate whether the terrorists are citizens, enemy combatants, POWs, whatever, they continue to attack us.

I guess we're more interested in the wonky minutia of how to classify people who are attacking us, while they attempt to kill hundreds or thousands of US citizens.

If the attackers are citizens, try them for treason. If they are not, GITMO.
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Old 01-08-2010, 11:14 PM
 
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I'm in the minority on alot of things Americans know and believe.......THANK GOD!
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:57 AM
 
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While many debate whether the terrorists are citizens, enemy combatants, POWs, whatever, they continue to attack us.

I guess we're more interested in the wonky minutia of how to classify people who are attacking us, while they attempt to kill hundreds or thousands of US citizens.

If the attackers are citizens, try them for treason. If they are not, GITMO.
isn't it insanity to bring them to this country and "protect" their rights, while we go over and try and target them in other countries, while putting OUR service people at risk to do so?

that is seriously messed up all around!
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:02 AM
 
Location: In The Outland
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I have a solution to the problem, from now on when we are fighting an enemy who doesn't wear a uniform and is not fighting for any recognized nation, don't take any prisoners.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:12 AM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 5 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The criminal courts have no option really. The detainees were NOT read their rights and as EC, there was no need to do that.

What will happen when they ask for top secret, classified intelligence, when they ask for the information in how they were captured, when they ask the court to rule on the advanced interrogation techniques to gleen information about future attacks.

This is an absolute disaster in the making.


This disaster as you call it was created by a group of buffoons who considered themselves above the law. Of course you and your brethern will attempt placing the blame elsewhere years after the disaster was created.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:36 AM
 
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While many debate whether the terrorists are citizens, enemy combatants, POWs, whatever, they continue to attack us.

I guess we're more interested in the wonky minutia of how to classify people who are attacking us, while they attempt to kill hundreds or thousands of US citizens.

If the attackers are citizens, try them for treason. If they are not, GITMO.
The ruling WAS about GITMO!

Deciding how they should be classified IS about GITMO.

In Federal Court, the very things you characterize as being "minutia" wouldn't be at issue, the only question would be their guilt or innocence.

This all could have been handled if the Bush/Cheney/Ascroft/Gonzalez Justice Department had used a little common sense.

Folks fighting for the Taliban should have been turned over to the Afghan government.

Folks who were members of al-Qaeda should have been tried in criminal court as terrorist.

No reinvention of the judicial wheel, no making up the law as you go along.

The Bushies, like everything, just leaped in, no thought, no planning, as a result, they found themselves constantly having to make up ****e to justify their ill-thought actions.

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Old 01-09-2010, 06:41 AM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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These are not crimes, they are terrorist acts.
Was Timothy McVeigh's work not a terrorist act?

Did the system not work in his case?

It doesn't work when people consider themselves above the law and act any way they damn well please, We pay the price for that now.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Marion, IA
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Remember the good old days when POWs were pumped for information, then led outside and shot? Why can't we do that anymore?! It's cheap, effective, and our country would be much safer.
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