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Old 01-08-2010, 07:31 PM
 
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We are not a nation of ass clowns devoted to some emotional sense of justice that is akin to hugging your bad seed child for murdering your next door neighbors good seed child.
No, but we sure seem to be a nation of ass clowns who have no clue about the Constitution, Federal law or the workings of the courts.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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But in every case, those enemy combatants were allowed review by Federal Courts.

Nice try, but you should quit while you are behind.
A "review" by the federal court is a stark difference with being tried and bestowed all the rights an American citizen enjoys.

Fortunately, I'm way out in front. Keep up.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:35 PM
 
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Let's just admit it.

Trying the detainees in criminal court, where all the dirty laundry and allegations of abuse will be made public, as well as the tactics and interrogations techiniques used by the military, is obama's way of trying the Bush administration and appeasing the Left.
Wouldn't that be a GOOD thing?
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:37 PM
 
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A "review" by the federal court is a stark difference with being tried and bestowed all the rights an American citizen enjoys.

Fortunately, I'm way out in front. Keep up.
What rights would those be?

Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


Perhaps, ********, Yoo, Gonzalez should have considered that before placing the detainees under U.S. jurisdiction and thus subject to the U.S. Constitution and the Federal Courts.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:39 PM
 
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Wouldn't that be a GOOD thing?
What makes you think interrogation techniques becoming public would be a good thing? The reason we waterboard our own soldiers is to prepare them. All that will happen is terrorists will prepare for other techniques also..
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Perhaps in your imagination this makes sense. But to most Americans, we prefer not to hold mock trials in kangaroo courts where admissions of guilt through torture is the status quo. I know the GOP love violence and seem to detest our judicial system, but they'll just have to get over it.
Mock trials, you say?

Isn't that exactly what Holder and obama have admitted to engaging in? Remember what they said?

More Obamateur Hour - Andy McCarthy - The Corner on National Review Online

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In a meeting with the press in China, President Obama said that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would be "convicted" and had "the death penalty applied to him" . . . and then said he wasn't "pre-judging" the case.
Didn't they also say there was NO WAY KSM would be released?
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Perhaps, ********, Yoo, Gonzalez should have considered that before placing the detainees under U.S. jurisdiction and thus subject to the U.S. Constitution and the Federal Courts.
They were under the jurisdiction of the military, until obama and holder decided it would be a fine idea to hold mock trials that will cost millions.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:42 PM
 
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What makes you think interrogation techniques becoming public would be a good thing? The reason we waterboard our own soldiers is to prepare them. All that will happen is terrorists will prepare for other techniques also..
Because it is supposed to be we, the people, running this country - by consent - INFORMED CONSENT.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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I guess it's all fine when Bush tried people in civilian court....right?
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:43 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Perhaps, ********, Yoo, Gonzalez should have considered that before placing the detainees under U.S. jurisdiction and thus subject to the U.S. Constitution and the Federal Courts.
Wish I could give you a rep point for that but the system won't let me. I'm appalled at how easily the OP can so easily dismiss the Constitution and the laws of this country.
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