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Old 01-09-2010, 09:55 PM
 
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Obama, being a FORMER attorney already screwed up this trial with his comments that they are already guilty and will get the death penalty.

He should have known better.

I thought you were innocent until proven guilty. Afterall, Plunk keeps telling us we are a nation of laws. So why did both Obama and Holder ruin the trial with their comments.

No wonder he was a horrible lawyer and went onto teach socialism in a college.
Learn to read for yourself, and please get someone to explain these things to you before you make absurd posts like the above........^^^^....your inflammatory posts are getting tiring. Yours and sanrene's posts seem like opposite sides of the SAME COIN.

Please provide PROOF that Obama and Holder ruined a trial which has not taken place yet.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:01 PM
 
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Mock trials, you say?

Isn't that exactly what Holder and obama have admitted to engaging in? Remember what they said?

More Obamateur Hour - Andy McCarthy - The Corner on National Review Online



Didn't they also say there was NO WAY KSM would be released?
You got a link to a transcript of what the President said? Do you have an actual quote, not what somebody else "thinks" was said?
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:09 PM
 
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Where we have legal detention authority, as the President has stated, we will not release anyone into the United States if doing so would endanger our national security or the American people,” Holder wrote. “There are a number of tools at the government’s disposal to ensure that no such detainee is released into the United States, all of which are currently being reviewed by the Special Interagency Task Force on Detention Policy...”

Do you see all the qualifications in that paragraph?

Certainly looks to me as if the statement is saying that no one will be released into THE UNITED STATES. The statements are not nearly as simple as you have made them seem.
You're not drinking are you? Of course he wanted the out that said they won't get released into the U.S. but then you need to think about where they would be released. Who's going to take KSM if he's found not guilty? Yemen?

Your thought process is the same as someone who puts the silly little hammer down while building his house and starts using his body to drive the nails in. He got the house built with the small consequences of having holes all in his body.

No one will take these fools and anyone that does will only be with the implicit consent of the U.S. that they will be tried and held in their courts. In effect all that says is that no matter what happens to these people, trials and such, they will be found guilty and held somewhere in the world. If they are held somewhere outside of the U.S. then we have no way to know if they're plotting another attack on us.

Did you see the definition of show trial? It doesn't appear so.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:13 PM
 
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I thought you were innocent until proven guilty. Afterall, Plunk keeps telling us we are a nation of laws. So why did both Obama and Holder ruin the trial with their comments.
And yet he's willing to fore-go trials for some and just blow them up in the spot they lay, pray and eat.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:18 PM
 
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You're not drinking are you? Of course he wanted the out that said they won't get released into the U.S. but then you need to think about where they would be released. Who's going to take KSM if he's found not guilty? Yemen?

Your thought process is the same as someone who puts the silly little hammer down while building his house and starts using his body to drive the nails in. He got the house built with the small consequences of having holes all in his body.

No one will take these fools and anyone that does will only be with the implicit consent of the U.S. that they will be tried and held in their courts. In effect all that says is that no matter what happens to these people, trials and such, they will be found guilty and held somewhere in the world. If they are held somewhere outside of the U.S. then we have no way to know if they're plotting another attack on us.

Did you see the definition of show trial? It doesn't appear so.
Who thinks for ONE SECOND that KSM won't be convicted, other than you?

No, I haven't been drinking. Have you? Do you think that if there are any acquittals that the defendants will be released in the U.S.? If so, you obviously don't know much about the criminal justice system even for "common criminals" who are not citizens of the U.S.

Watch out for those details. I've worked in courts for over 20 years and I'm well aware of how trials "work."
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:18 PM
 
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Do you see all the qualifications in that paragraph?

Certainly looks to me as if the statement is saying that no one will be released into THE UNITED STATES. The statements are not nearly as simple as you have made them seem.
What's the point of having a trial if you will retain him if he is acquitted?

You really don't think they would release KSM to another country if he were acquitted, do you?

What obama and Holder are doing is putting on a show trial, pure and simple...probably for the express purpose to get out into the public all the nasty things that were done to the mastermind of 9/11.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:19 PM
 
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And yet he's willing to fore-go trials for some and just blow them up in the spot they lay, pray and eat.
Huh?
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:20 PM
 
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Then you would know no matter what happens they will be held indefinitely somewhere. So they are in fact guilty no matter what the outcome of a trial is. This is a show trial plain and simple.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:22 PM
 
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Then you would know no matter what happens they will be held indefinitely somewhere. So they are in fact guilty no matter what the outcome of a trial is. This is a show trial plain and simple.
All the same. They are blown up without a trial because of intel. This isn't a police action and should not be held as such.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You got a link to a transcript of what the President said? Do you have an actual quote, not what somebody else "thinks" was said?
Why? We all know it wouldn't make a bit of difference to you. You'd still find a reason to spin it.

AFP: Main 9/11 plotter will be convicted, executed: Obama

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WASHINGTON — US President Barack Obama, defending plans to try accused September 11 author Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in civilian court, predicted Wednesday that he would be convicted and executed.

And US Attorney General Eric Holder assured lawmakers that prosecutors know "failure is not an option" and that Sheikh Mohammed would not be freed even if acquitted by a jury in New York, a city still scarred by the 2001 attacks.
RealClearPolitics - Video - Obama Expresses Confidence KSM Will Be Convicted; Says He Isn't "Prejudging" Verdict
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