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Old 01-11-2010, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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people don't vote democratic all the time! how deluded is this post? liberals by their very nature want big government, which is only successful at growing by stripping away liberties. the more dependent you are, the LESS freedom you have. they want poverty and fear so they can create a nanny state.

small businesses create the job growth that gives people autonomy and independence. government pulls from everyone else to feed itself, which is good for bureaucrats and the top tier but bad for the general sector, as we are finding out now.

the reason that people are confused now is that bush was so bad for this country, signing every big government spending bill put in front of him-first by a republican congress and then by a democratic congress, that they are confusing the basic principles of the parties. bush also signed the democratic bailout bills, which made him possibly the worst president in our country's history. (with obama close behind)

the republican party has veered from its roots and needs to get back on track as a fiscally conservative party, so job growth can be renewed in this country. the more people you have working, the better off everyone will be. a poor country can't afford too many social programs, you know.
Well, I'm not confused, but I'm sure there are plenty of neo-confused [MOD CUT] and most are on this forum. The [MOD CUT] have always been OFF TRACK, IMO. And now, what have they got? Nothing, they're just a bunch of whiney little babies. Everything Obama does, the cry about, constantly.
Yeah, and don't forget sandy, the [MOD CUT] voted for the bailouts too, so democrats are not the only ones who approved this thing with TARP and bailouts.
Obama nearly only a year in office, and [MOD CUT] want everything fixed in an instant, everything that a [MOD CUT] prez. took 8 years to luse up.
CA should repeal prop. 13, it was bad from the start.
My posts are no more ludacris than yours. Mine are logical, while yours are ??? clueless?

Last edited by Ibginnie; 01-11-2010 at 02:35 PM.. Reason: derogatory language... let's not use it!
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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CA has done well for many years. Some states get hit harder than others in a recession. If they had enforced immigration laws, I think they would be in a better position now.

I find it appalling how you all talk about poor Americans. But that's why the GOP is sinking. Don't care about anything else but themselves, and no one is better at spreading hate.
"Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential needs."

Understanding Poverty in America
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:32 AM
 
Location: SC
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You know what? This isn't actually the case. Little are Amercians aware that Federal, State and Local Governments have had for a LOOOOONNNNGGG time TWO SETS OF BOOKS! They have their annual Budget Reports that they use to justify rate and tax increases and then they have the COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT that is prepared at the end of June every year which contains the Budget AS WELL AS ALL THE MONEY MADE FROM INVESTMENTS AND USER FEES that the budget report doesn't include.

Guess what? Even in "Bankrupt" California there is a H$LL of a lot more money in the general fund at the end of the year if you look at what is really going on in the "Comprehensive Annual
Financial Report", which by the way, anyone can search for and find on any city, town, county or state including the federal government in our country.

Look at this one for Southern California for 2009 and look at page 33 especially which shows the General Balance at the beginning of the year ($2,923,629) and at the end of the year $3,431,480! Both numbers/all numbers in the reports are shown without the last three zeros I would imagine so the increase in the general fund for this part of the state was almost 20% more than they started out with or $507,851,000 (if you add the last three zeros). It also gives the 2008 surplus figure

http://www.scag.ca.gov/publications/...port063009.pdf

Californians and Americans (both democrats, republicans and independents) should be OUTRAGED over the fact that government officials on ALL levels have been LYING to us for so long !
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Old 01-11-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Santa Barbara
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It wouldn't be this way if the idiotic Californian government didn't do everything in their power to drive business out of the state. This state has so many BS Laws, Regulations, and Ordinances that I can understand why only 144,000 are propping the state up.
Many believe that a lot of the budget issues have to do with Prop 13 passed in 1978. Many see the problem as it relates to corporations and not necessarily private homes.

Owners of commercial real estate have also benefited: if a corporation owning commercial property (such as a shopping mall) is sold or merged, but the property stays technically deeded to the corporation, ownership of the property can effectively change hands without triggering Proposition 13's provision that fixes the amount of tax based on the property's resale value.[4] Since many properties owned by large companies are nominally owned by shell companies whose sole assets are the properties in question, this has led to situations that have struck many commentators, such as Steve Lopez and Michael Hiltzik of the Los Angeles Times, as absurd and unfair, with companies taking a lesser percentage of the overall tax burden than private homeowners.[4] Smaller property owners do not have the "shell company" advantage that large property owners do.[4] As an example, the Times has reported that the property tax bill of the historic Capitol Records building in Hollywood is approximately five cents per square foot, while a small house assessed at $300,000 may pay up to 60 times that on a per-square-foot basis. Critics of Proposition 13 have argued that this situation unfairly benefits commercial property owners and should be changed,[4] but recent attempted ballot initiatives have not succeeded in altering assessment formulas. Tim Taylor at the University of Minnesota has analyzed Prop 13 as part of a problem of "Generational Justice" and a pattern of specifically providing tax breaks and benefits to one generational cohort-and tax increases and reduction in services to another generational cohort.
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Old 01-11-2010, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Santa Barbara
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[quote=StillwaterTownie;12390026]Then what do you want to do about it. Punish lazy people who don't want to work by throwing them in prison?[/quote]

And with the privatization of prisons, this is a win win for some. More people in prison, more happy stock holders.
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Here
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Well, I'm not confused, but I'm sure there are plenty of neo-confused [MOD CUT] and most are on this forum. The [MOD CUT] have always been OFF TRACK, IMO. And now, what have they got? Nothing, they're just a bunch of whiney little babies. Everything Obama does, the cry about, constantly.
Yeah, and don't forget sandy, the [MOD CUT] voted for the bailouts too, so democrats are not the only ones who approved this thing with TARP and bailouts.
Obama nearly only a year in office, and [MOD CUT] want everything fixed in an instant, everything that a [MOD CUT] prez. took 8 years to luse up.
CA should repeal prop. 13, it was bad from the start.
My posts are no more ludacris than yours. Mine are logical, while yours are ??? clueless?
Anger Management classes ASAP.
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:01 PM
 
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I think Texas is going to be right behind California. They reported recently that 6 out of 10 children is now born into poverty in Texas which of course means welfare handouts, free health care, free everything.

When those that take outnumber those that must give, big problems ahead.
Already happening in Illinois. The state can't pay its bills or its promised funding obligations. Social services, schools, etc., are screwed, BIG time...

"The state owes local school districts $1 billion. Universities and community colleges are owed $775 million. Municipalities are waiting on $478 million. Some state workers are being asked to pay up front for medical care because their boss isn't paying his bills on time."
Illinois budget woes: State's unpaid bills hit a record $5 billion, and the cries of pain are getting louder - chicagotribune.com
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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"Vaught oversaw nearly $3.5 billion in borrowing last week, with the bulk of the money going to make state pension payments. About $843 million will go into the state's checkbook account, but how it ultimately will be spent is undetermined. The line is long."
Illinois budget woes: State's unpaid bills hit a record $5 billion, and the cries of pain are getting louder - chicagotribune.com

There's the problem. That's where the money goes... pensions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiUjo7hi-dU

Edit to add -> Illinois School News: $10 million Pensions, $100,000 Raises and a $196,000/yr Art Teacher
http://www.championnews.net/article.php?sid=1024 (broken link)
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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Yeah, go ahead righties, cut everyone off of SS, SSI, medicare, medicaid, and all other forms of public assistance, but just don't think about calling the cops (they'll have their hands full) when they rob and pilage everything you own, because that's probably what would happen, and I don't think you have enough ammunition to defend yourselves, because it'll be strength in large numbers. People will rise up and go looking for the people who cut them off, the righties.
So you are saying that they feel entitled to steal from us one way or the other?

There will come a point when those of us working to pay the bills will simply decide to move out of state and leave those demanding handouts to learn to support themselves.

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i think that is the point of the argument-basically that 144,000 people could just move out of the state, and then the state would be left with nothing but bad policies in place.

that is why you have to argue that the way they spend the money is irresponsible!

it is dangerous policy to have the increasing tax burden placed on a a few MOBILE taxpayers.
Exactly. The people who are paying the taxes can also afford to move out of CA. In fact, many are doing just that.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:06 PM
 
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Poor people in America are rich when compared to poor people in the rest of the world. And they're poor here because they choose to be that way.


Just purely ignorant to the reality of people who struggle.
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