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Old 01-10-2010, 08:40 PM
 
Location: NoVA
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It'd be somewhat comforting if Detroit were an isolated case but no, this poverty-stricken filth is spreading. My wee lil' hometown of Anderson Indiana has been slowly but steadily decaying into a miniature Detroit for 30+ years. Once having the 2nd highest concentration of GM workers in the country (behind Flint MI - ever saw "Roger & Me"?), its population has been dwindling since before I was born in the '70s. High school graduation rate is around 30%, and 52% of student are on paid lunches. I could go on all day about depressing statistics about this craphole, but I like to focus on positive things instead. Such as moving away one day.

Socialist systems may work better in Europe, but they'll never fly here.
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Old 01-10-2010, 08:55 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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How come no one has mentioned the effect the Civil Rights Movement had on Detroit, the 1967 Detroit Riots that started the very rapid 'white flight' out of the city. Detroit's population has been reduced by 50% since its high point. That resulted in a lot of empty, unsold houses sitting around to be vandalized. The introduction of robots in the auto industry in the early 60s also played its part in the decline of the city's population because that brought in the long period where retiring employees were not replaced. Detroit has also had some very ineffective mayors. The decline of any city isn't as simplistic as some people in this thread would like to believe.

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Old 01-10-2010, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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This is the leftist American dream, dependency and decay. Look at other liberal cities like LA with their ghettos, failing schools and crime rate. I will be passing this video on.

Kinda reminds me of the republican party actually: The inability to realize that change is inevitable, and necessary for advancement. Things that don't grow...die.
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:18 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Kinda reminds me of the republican party actually: The inability to realize that change is inevitable, and necessary for advancement. Things that don't grow...die.

So you agree that this hope and change your leader promised us will kill us?

If change is necessary for advancement then why are we going backwards under your leader?
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:20 PM
 
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Kinda reminds me of the republican party actually: The inability to realize that change is inevitable, and necessary for advancement. Things that don't grow...die.

I guess the liberal idea of growth and advancement is Deroit.
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:23 PM
 
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I grew up in the detroit 'burbs in the '60-'70's. My earliest memories of local news on TV is news of Mayor Cavanaugh.

In those days one was indoctrinated that the UAW was the champion of the people. The most important question on the mind of most in school at the time was.......... how do I get a job at one of the big three?

When I graduated in the late '70's those that had a job lined up at GM were admired like they had just won the lottery. Their lives were made, all they had to do was get past the 90 day probation period for acceptance into the UAW. High wages, benefits, retirement pensions were all theirs..........They would retire early, and have a wonderful life, guaranteed by the UAW.

Of course those that couldnt get into one of the big three were content with a job at one of the "suppliers" that were also represented by the UAW. Nepotism was rampant, the best way to be hired was to be the relative of someone that had worked at one of the companies, or had an "in" with a union official. Barring that, as long as one could get a job, where there was some form of union representation, you would be "taken care of". The average joe had "collective bargaining", and the power of the "strike" at their command. There was a union for almost everything imaginable, people couldnt believe there were places where union representation didnt exist.

The unions became so powerful, that non productive, drug addled, drunken employees couldnt be fired, and indeed were hardly able to be disciplined. They dictated terms to their corporate "partners". An entire generation grew up, and became a part of this twisted culture, that was quite literally just the normal way of life.

As in all stories like this, the greed killed the goose that layed the golden egg. The culture of more, more, more, in exchange for less, less, less inevitably took it's toll. The industry began to collapse, starting a cascading failure of the suppliers, and smaller businesses that served the industry. The unions, demanded more, still, so the corporates began to send jobs to foreign lands where they could cut costs. The ineveitable total collapse has been decades in the making, and has put the entire country on the same path, although other contributing factors have helped.

The bottom line.....yep, the whole damn country is headed in the same direction. Greed wiped out the whole thing. Even today, while the place slowly burns to the ground, the people can still be seen grubbing money, and asking what's in it for me? What can i take(not to the bank, but) to the mall?

Union greed, the earliest form of acceptable socialism in the USA, has led the charge to it's destruction.

Yachtcare has spoken.......

I worked in a couple of union factories when I forst got out of high school and everything you said was true. I was amazed at how lazy employees were and what they got away with. I was making good money but quit because i did not want my work ethic to be destroyed. If you worked too productive the other employees would start threatening you because they did not want the jobs to be re-rated for better production.
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:24 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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How come no one has mentioned the effect the Civil Rights Movement had on Detroit, the 1967 Detroit Riots that started the very rapid 'white flight' out of the city. Detroit's population has been reduced by 50% since its high point. That resulted in a lot of empty, unsold houses sitting around to be vandalized. The introduction of robots in the auto industry in the early 60s also played its part in the decline of the city's population because that brought in the long period where retiring employees were not replaced. Detroit has also had some very ineffective mayors. The decline of any city isn't as simplistic as some people in this thread would like to believe.
Yes, there is a whole list of evils visited upon Detroit in the past fifty years. It would be difficult to list them all. But complacency caused by allowing your life to be put on(the perception of) "cruise control" by the unions, at the same time your told that the gubmint will take care of everything is a partial summing up.

Very ineffective mayors? pretty much all of them since January 2, 1962, to date. Interesting that ALL of them are affiliated with the democrat party. Certainly not all their fault, but there has been a definate lack of leadership at the helm for almost fifty years now. It hasnt helped........

Yachtcare has spoken.......
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:25 PM
 
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Kinda reminds me of the republican party actually: The inability to realize that change is inevitable, and necessary for advancement. Things that don't grow...die.

With the liberal and Democrats change = decay. It's not the kind of change conservatives want or America needs.
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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So you agree that this hope and change your leader promised us will kill us?

lol, what?

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I guess the liberal idea of growth and advancement is Deroit.
What I'm talking about has nothing to do with Detroit.
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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Sunnydays and dcsldcd are two peas in a pod....sure seem a lot alike. Wonder why that is?
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