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Old 01-11-2010, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Many of the people here are stuck in a stereotype about unions that is no longer true for most of them. Training people to keep up with changing new technology and the jobs market is a big focus right now and has been for a while now.
The unions have training facilities and schools?
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:21 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Many of the people here are stuck in a stereotype about unions that is no longer true for most of them. Training people to keep up with changing new technology and the jobs market is a big focus right now and has been for a while now.
I would say that that is a fair observation. My experience is afterall, based upon events thirty years past.

I would say, however, that what is manifest today, is a result of those past ills.

What the unions are doing today, if anything, to stimulate the economy, and provide job/ tech training will likely not bear fruit anytime soon. And even more doubtful is if such efforts will have any bearing upon the future of Detroit.

Detroit is past the point where any one, single, entity, be it government, unions, small business, or the people themselves( as they are economically, and mostly morally bankrupt)can do anything to help it.

A good starting place, is to replace the city government with a true change. Certainly the Dems need to go, but I'm not advocating for repubs either. A true visionary is what is needed for Detroit to have any chance at all, IF there is any chance at all.

If anyone could turn Detroit around, they could likely be the best hope for a nation headed the same direction.

Yachtcare has spoken.......
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:52 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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If anyone wants to read a couple of good TIME articles on the destruction of Detroit, try these. The first one, titled 'The Decline of Detroit, was written in 1961 Michigan: Decline in Detroit - TIME

The second article was written in 2009 and is titled, Detroit: The Death---and Possible Life---of a Great City. Detroit's Future: Will Once Great American City Recover? - TIME
It's interesting that these articles were written 48 years apart and you can see the seeds of destruction planted in the first article and the way they grew in the second.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Over There
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Those buildings aren't people's buildings. Most of the dilapidated buildings you see are dilapidated because there is no one there to maintain them at all. You see, Detroit used to be a rather large city, hence a large amount of buildings to accommodate a large population. When the city loses half its population, it goes without saying that half of its buildings are now going to be vacant. What do you think happens to vacant buildings? I'll give you a minute to ponder that query.

You can bury your head in the sand all you want but the bottom line is that there are many people who DO NOT take care of their houses then complain because they live in crap. I am not talking about business but even with that it does not explain why there is graffiti all over, garbage all over and how the windows get broken someone is doing that. I can lock up my house and walk away and yes the outside trees and stuff will grow but unless someone breaks the windows and trashes the inside it will remain pretty well intact. These people simply do not care about taking care of what they have and for that reason I have zero empathy for where and what they live in.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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You can bury your head in the sand all you want but the bottom line is that there are many people who DO NOT take care of their houses then complain because they live in crap. I am not talking about business but even with that it does not explain why there is graffiti all over, garbage all over and how the windows get broken someone is doing that. I can lock up my house and walk away and yes the outside trees and stuff will grow but unless someone breaks the windows and trashes the inside it will remain pretty well intact. These people simply do not care about taking care of what they have and for that reason I have zero empathy for where and what they live in.
One half of the city houses sit empty and many of those houses have been cannibalized for their bricks and other nice building materials by companies building houses in the suburbs. It's pretty hard to care about a blighted city when you live in the heart of it and when it doesn't have services in many areas for trash pick up, etc. Those left behind don't have jobs or a practical way out to greener pastures and have been living that way for a couple of generations. Read the two TIME articles I posted above in post #53, they are really informative.

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Old 01-11-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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Socialist systems may work better in Europe, but they'll never fly here.
Why is it that, if there is a right way and a wrong way to do something, the Federal and local governments will invariably choose the WRONG WAY, without fail. The short answer might be that the wrong way favor BIG BUSINESS, while the right way favors the little guy. Is it really as simplistic as that? If Government decided to look out for the little guy for a change would this country slowly start to crawl out of the hole government has dug for it? I am truly afraid for the American people because there is not a damn thing they can do about this except go along for the ride. We, the American people are Thelma and Louise and right now we are in the last frames of the movie.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:45 AM
 
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Just imagine if in 19th Century there was an internet and we could sit around discussing how once booming mining towns became dumps when the ore ran out.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:50 AM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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Think about it, the lefties love the global idea and for us to be global like they want they have to lower the Americans way of life to match the 3rd world countries.

They elected the perfect man do decay our country in Obamie the Commie.
What most people don't understand is that 10%+ unemployment is NORMAL, even LOW in all the Euro countries the left try to model after. 10% unemployment may be the NEW low for us. And these Euro countries have huge govt entitlement programs. If they had to fund their own defense (currently most of the heavy lifting is done by the US) they wouldn't even be able to afford their nanny state politics, not that they can now. We are NOT going in the right direction.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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The collapse of the auto industry and the massive demographic changes sealed the fate for Detroit. I don't believe if the Republicans or whoever was in charge of Detroit would have made any difference at all. The problems were too great to overcome. The question we should ask is - at what point will Detroit stop declining and begin to rebuild itself? I don't see it happening for at least 50 years. It going to have to bottom out to the point were few people are left and it can rebuild from scratch. The problem now is the local population is poor, undereducated, crime prone, etc and they inhabit around 80-90% of the city. This makes rebuilding of the city, now, almost impossible. Cities such as New York, have only 25% or so of the city in this type of shape, making redevelopment much easier. Therefore, the population needs to almost bottom out before a new Detroit can begin. On the bright side Michigan has more fresh water available than anywhere else on the planet and this will save Detroit someday. Detroit will return and rebuild but I'll probably never live to see it.
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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IIRC it took nearly a century after the textile industry outsourced itself to the American South for many New England cities to recover. That time included a couple of wars, the New Deal and the latest neocon variant on the endless war. I have no idea how long it will take Detroit to recover but I think very high fuel prices would encourage moving back to the central cities.

We could afford a more civil economy and society if we stopped our Defense Department's endless need to invade the world for profit and limited itself to defending US instead of EXXON et al.
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