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Old 01-12-2010, 08:17 PM
 
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There are separate programs that people are talking about as if they were all the same.

All three actual Social Security programs...old-age, survivor, and disability...were proposed together in the very beginning. But there were concerns over the cost and administration of the disability program, and it was not actually established until 1954. All three Social Security programs are funded out of payroll taxes. You need 40 quarters of qualified work to be eligible for retirement benefits, but not necessarilty for disability payments. Survivor benefits go to the heirs of covered workers and those who were retirement or disability beneficiaries.

There is in addition SSI, which is Supplemental Security Income. It is paid for out of general revebues (income taxes, excise taxes, estate taxes, etc.) not out of payroll taxes. There are no work requirements. The program is intended primarily as income support for the aged, blind, and disabled of low income and low resources. There is confusion over it because of the SSI acronym, and because the program is administered by the Social Security Administration. SSI however is not in any way, shape, or form a part of Social Security.
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:54 PM
 
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Unless they worked for a US corporation overseas, they cannot collect anything here. You have to work 40 quarters (10 years) to qualify for any benefits here.

Wrong.
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Old 01-12-2010, 09:02 PM
 
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If we were LIBERAL we would have single payer national health care and your mom and 4 children would not have been wiped out by medical bills because most of them would have been paid.
I fail to see what twisted logic you're using to come to that conclusion since it's the liberals who've brought about the subsidy of drug addicts, alcoholics, overeaters who've eaten their way to immobility, and anyone else who's only real disability was being born without a spine while people who've worked and paid into the system are punished. About the only way your scenario would play out is that under a liberal theocracy, and I see modern liberalism as a dogma quite similar to communism where the deity is the government, neither my mother nor any of us kids would have had anything to lose in the first place.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
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Old 01-12-2010, 09:24 PM
 
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There are separate programs that people are talking about as if they were all the same.

All three actual Social Security programs...old-age, survivor, and disability...were proposed together in the very beginning. But there were concerns over the cost and administration of the disability program, and it was not actually established until 1954. All three Social Security programs are funded out of payroll taxes. You need 40 quarters of qualified work to be eligible for retirement benefits, but not necessarilty for disability payments. Survivor benefits go to the heirs of covered workers and those who were retirement or disability beneficiaries.

There is in addition SSI, which is Supplemental Security Income. It is paid for out of general revebues (income taxes, excise taxes, estate taxes, etc.) not out of payroll taxes. There are no work requirements. The program is intended primarily as income support for the aged, blind, and disabled of low income and low resources. There is confusion over it because of the SSI acronym, and because the program is administered by the Social Security Administration. SSI however is not in any way, shape, or form a part of Social Security.
Thanks for clarifying that, but I'd like to know whom this should apply if we were to revise the non work requirement benefits.

Scenario, true story; Elderly Egyptian man is invited to live with his son & daughter in law in alhambra california. His other son is on a student visa falsely in NY (he dropped course work in favor of waiter wages). He establishes residency he doesn't intend to keep for the sake of medical benefits courtesy of the state of california, and free money from the US gov't because he was 67 yrs old. He claimed to be independent I guess, not supported by his family, and spent the cash bouncing between alhambra, dr appointments, ny, and cairo. Really, sag, WHY should I feel obliged to pay for these shenannigans?

Another story is Cuban refugee seniors being awarded maximum $$$ relative to comparable american senior who did work a low wage job her whole life. Political asylum is understood, but high on the hog? That hardly seems fair.

I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater claiming all programs are useless, but when standards aren't well thought out and you hear stories like my experience, isn't that grounds for closing up loopholes? I think another poster made a very good point about SS being used as a slush fund for whatever by congress. If we're to preserve this program it needs protection from abuses of unintended users and congress alike.
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Old 08-07-2010, 09:33 PM
 
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Interesting discussion . . . I am a native born American citizen and now 64-years old . . . Will likely work in some way to earn my keep until I drop dead, which is probably sooner than later. Have no company pension either and seem to not qualify for Social Security retirement. Worked for decades as a contract temp and directly for private and military contractors. Numerous of those outfits went belly up and disappeared totally. Much of the Social Security money taken from pay checks doesn't seem to have made it onto the record. As a result, I didn't pay enough money into the Social Security system to have enough quarters or whatever the formula to qualify for retirement benefits. Also worked for the railroad under AMTRAK for 8-years. Was injured on the job with permanent multiple disk damage. Railroad assigned doctors would not allow me back to work as a result of the condition which still affects my walking. As an employee for the railroad back then, I didn't qualify for disability payments, having less than ten-years service. Being a railroad worker, exempts that person from state compensation programs. Without income, I lost my place was actually living in a car for a few months during the 1990s. That was a difficult time and the lowest point of my entire life.

Problem was, at the time, an employee needed to work a full ten-years in order to be vested into the disability and pension system. The law was changed around 1995 for vestment of RR pensions after just five-years. My paid in tier one and tier two, double dipped Railroad Retirement money seems to have disappeared into the government bureaucracy too. Of course they stole my hard earned money to probably hand out free goodies to some illegal alien parasite criminals.

Resigned myself long ago that the whole system is a vile crooked scam and that I'm totally on my own. At this point, I want nothing from these rotten elitist bastards. Made it this far and don't have much longer travel. Just maybe though I might live long enough to see the whole corrupt socialist federal oligarchy collapse into the dung heap of history.

Often wonder how many other law abiding, tax paying, native born Americans there are who have been exiled outside the walls of the system.

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Old 08-07-2010, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Foreign pension are pretty common actually, they are paid by the country the person comes from and is taxed normally.

Foreign Pension Plan Contributions - When Taxable?

You get to take distributions of your retirement accounts in other countries as well. Doesn't work for illegals.

My god, take a tax class...or is education verboten?

Certainly not everyone who was born in another country, and moved to the US, is illegal.
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Old 08-08-2010, 08:45 AM
 
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Access to the social security checks and/or SSI is one reason the illegals are demanding amnesty and citizenship. Many of the illegals are approaching retirement age, and many have elderly parents and grandparents they want to sponsor and bring here for their nice American retirement.

http://www.lacehh.org/tpg/documents/...oplesGuide.pdf

Page 58 tells the immigrants how to get on SSI and ways around the requirements. All they need to do is apply for a U visa or claim they are victims of traffickers and they can qualify. They also can count spouse and parents' work for their required social security credits. Immigrants are not required to work the 10 years as are citizens.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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Are you sure?

Because I see my dads friends parents and friends grandma. They have not worked a SINGLE DAY of their lives in the USA, yet they collect 600-850 a month. It would be a great help if I got even 250 a month.
Did they have spousal rights?
I don't understand why you're making assumptions based on absolutely no facts other than you have heard that some people are collecting some money.
Are you disabled? What reason would you have to be collecting. I assume you're an able bodied person with no disabilities and are over 18.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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Interesting discussion . . . I am a native born American citizen and now 64-years old . . . Will likely work in some way to earn my keep until I drop dead, which is probably sooner than later. Have no company pension either and seem to not qualify for Social Security retirement. Worked for decades as a contract temp and directly for private and military contractors. Numerous of those outfits went belly up and disappeared totally. Much of the Social Security money taken from pay checks doesn't seem to have made it onto the record. As a result, I didn't pay enough money into the Social Security system to have enough quarters or whatever the formula to qualify for retirement benefits. Also worked for the railroad under AMTRAK for 8-years. Was injured on the job with permanent multiple disk damage. Railroad assigned doctors would not allow me back to work as a result of the condition which still affects my walking. As an employee for the railroad back then, I didn't qualify for disability payments, having less than ten-years service. Being a railroad worker, exempts that person from state compensation programs. Without income, I lost my place was actually living in a car for a few months during the 1990s. That was a difficult time and the lowest point of my entire life.

Problem was, at the time, an employee needed to work a full ten-years in order to be vested into the disability and pension system. The law was changed around 1995 for vestment of RR pensions after just five-years. My paid in tier one and tier two, double dipped Railroad Retirement money seems to have disappeared into the government bureaucracy too. Of course they stole my hard earned money to probably hand out free goodies to some illegal alien parasite criminals.

Resigned myself long ago that the whole system is a vile crooked scam and that I'm totally on my own. At this point, I want nothing from these rotten elitist bastards. Made it this far and don't have much longer travel. Just maybe though I might live long enough to see the whole corrupt socialist federal oligarchy collapse into the dung heap of history.

Often wonder how many other law abiding, tax paying, native born Americans there are who have been exiled outside the walls of the system.
For the past 20 or years, on an annual basis, I received my Social Security Statement in the mail.
You most likely did, as well.

Why are you blaming the government for your companies actions?
Why are you complaining about decades old problems now? Don't you look at your pay stubs?

The company can be out of business and if they paid into SS, you will be credited. If you were a contractor, you should have pay statements indicating the type of payments made. You would have also indicated the payments in your Federal Tax returns for those years.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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PRUCOL is not recognized as an immigration and/or qualified alien status, but it is recognized by social services to qualify for welfare benefits.

Prucol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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