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Old 01-16-2010, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I can tell you by reading your posts son that you did not understand a damn word of it!
I can tell by reading your posts, pops, that it is above your vocabulary level and you didn't read it to begin with.
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Old 01-16-2010, 05:29 PM
 
Location: stairway to heaven
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I know to whom to be greatful for my ability to pursue life, liberty, and the pusuit of happiness. I don't slash and burn with contentious and putrid remarks, (brave young men and women that have and do defend this greatest of all countries and peoples since the beginning of time) with slanderous ingratitudes. I know I have read consistent opinions you have presented exhibiting an inane sense of ingratitude for your heritage and for those that have provided you thes oap box to proclaim your inanities.

I know there is a difference between wisdom and intelligence, for which ,I can particlulary point to no occassion when you have exhibited either.
For sure, Thomas Sowell is not the least complicated read of all time. I know that for reasonable people with a measure of analytical skills and reading comprehension he does a very good job of proferring conservatism over liberalism and exposes the false tenants of the latter about as good as anyone. I know that intellectualism does not well compete with wisdom and I have observed a multitude of examples of pseudo-intellectualism but have never observed one instance of pseudo-wisdom.
Lastly, I know that I am a conservative and understand the tenants of conservatism and as such accept no ambiguities that you suggested when you brought up Sowell. I'll give you this though, it is better than reading Timothy Leary or the latest edition of the onion. I know that communication is more than a regurgitation of eight letter words. So tell me what do you know impetuous one? Give me your best liberal diatribe. How about a nice cut and paste.
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Old 01-16-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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Guys, please!

If you all have anything else to offer, please do it. But no fighting here!
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Old 01-16-2010, 05:53 PM
 
Location: stairway to heaven
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No fighting, just defensive position against something that requires no defense which makes you correct liberal. If you want to explore conservatism versus liberalism you would in fact be correctly directed to a very good read which was raised namely Thomas Sowell, The Vision of the Anointed. Mr. Sowell does in fact cut the knees out from under the Anointed with appropriate analytical representations. The best read of all would be Ayn Rand if you want to understand true conservatism. Sadly, it is my observation that there are many that procalim to be conservatives but are not very well grounded in an understanding of conservatism. Thus the problems that plague conservative leadership on the contemporary stage.The result is a great deal of conservative platitiudes from pretentious conservatives.
Liberal you did a very good job of presenting topics. You are a bright student of life and you may not know it yet but you will one day be a conservative. You will understand that there is no middle ground of truth.
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Old 01-16-2010, 05:56 PM
 
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No fighting, just defensive position against something that requires no defense which makes you correct liberal. If you want to explore conservatism versus liberalism you would in fact be correctly directed to a very good read which was raised namely Thomas Sowell, The Vision of the Anointed. Mr. Sowell does in fact cut the knees out from under the Anointed with appropriate analytical representations. The best read of all would be Ayn Rand if you want to understand true conservatism. Sadly, it is my observation that there are many that procalim to be conservatives but are not very well grounded in an understanding of conservatism. Thus the problems that plague conservative leadership on the contemporary stage.The result is a great deal of conservative platitiudes from pretentious conservatives.
Liberal you did a very good job of presenting topics. You are a bright student of life and you may not know it yet but you will one day be a conservative. You will understand that there is no middle ground of truth.
Thank you so much . I am looking forward to writing this! I am going to check that book out and read a bit about the author.

Hahaha. I would not go that far to say I will become a conservative. There is no way I agree with being against gay marriage or "prolife".

But I can see the difference between classical conservatism and the neoconservatives. I took several history courses and can really see how classical conservatives built up this country. At the same time, I also see how in modern day, liberalism and conservatism is both needed to maintain that balance.
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Old 01-16-2010, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Terra firma
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I want to write a book about politics! My Conservative Friends! Please help!

I feel like writing a book to let a lot off my chest and to see how much I learned. I want to go over issues in modern US politics and stand where I stand and why!

But I need some help from the Conservative friends here. You know who you are!

If you could please go over your stances on following and why you believe it, it would be awesome. I want to see if I can see it from your point of view and write about it.
  • Why so pro military?
  • How important are gun rights?
  • Do you think conservatives as a whole will ever accept gay marriage/pro choice?
  • What beliefs are the US based on? Do some conservatives actually have somewhat socialism views-like UHC?
  • Where does religion/Church play a role?
  • Any Conservative for union? Why so anti union?
  • Do you support states leaving the USA?
  • Death penalty? Yes or no?
  • Are women's right important? How important?
  • How do conservatives believe we can reform education? (THIS IS A BIG CONCERN TO ME! OUR COUNTRY IS FALLING BEHIND)
  • What is the worst political mistake in history? (nothing from at least 20 years ago)
  • How do conservatives believe we can help the poor people (who are truly on welfare and not abusing it for help but cannot find jobs)?
  • Illegal immigration? What do you think?
  • ANYTHING YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT ABOUT CONSERVATISM!

Also, if you choose to reply please let me know if I can "quote" you in my writings. Thank you!

I look forward to it!
And no, I do not have any political classes. This is solely for my enjoyment. And if you intend on coming and commenting, please try to be serious. Thanks!

Oh and if you want to say something to me but not on here, you can DM me some beliefs. Thanks.
Well the first thing that you need to do is go out and get yourself a ghost writer. Ask anybody in politics.
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Old 01-16-2010, 06:26 PM
 
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[*]Why so pro military?
Because they are our protection from those who would love to destroy us. They protect our freedom and our way of life. However, I do not always agree with the way our politicians use the military. I can't think of a single president in my life that hasn't misused our military. That angers me.
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[*]How important are gun rights?
EXTREMELY. The government should NEVER be allowed to disarm the citizens. My own personal reason for wanting guns revolves around the fact that when seconds count, the police are always minutes away. I do not want to leave my safety to the police.
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[*]Do you think conservatives as a whole will ever accept gay marriage/pro choice?
Pro-choice, no. Gay marriage, yes.
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[*]What beliefs are the US based on? Do some conservatives actually have somewhat socialism views-like UHC?
The US is based on an extremely broad and diverse set of beliefs, but IMO, the most important, is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Socialism views? None that I can think of. I don't believe that all socialism views are bad, I just prefer to not hand excess power to the government. Both parties want the goverment to have more power, just in different places.
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[*]Where does religion/Church play a role?
Community level along the lines of charities. I would not oppose taxation of churches that are run like a business though, and would not have a problem with capping salaries in churches. If a church wanted to avoid the salary cap, they lose their tax exempt status. Too many money focused megachurches that are nothing more than amenity centers for people to congregate. If the Red Cross and Salvation Army started building outrageously elaborate and expensive facilities, most religous people would be irate, but they ignore it at their own churches.
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[*]Any Conservative for union? Why so anti union?
I'm not really anti union, but the very close relationship between politicians and unions bothers me as much as any other business that tries to corrupt our political system for their benefit.
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[*]Do you support states leaving the USA?
Sort of, but things would have to get EXTREMELY BAD, far worse than they are right now. Overall it seems like a bad idea.
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[*]Death penalty? Yes or no?
If it were being applied evenly regardless of race and financial status, and there was a way to ensure no false convictions, I'm all for it. But that is not the case, so personally I'd rather see a seperate prison for people serving life sentences where there are less benefits (TV, etc). Then you could put people who will eventually be released into prisons that were better suited to rehabilitate people for life once they are released. To refuse rehabilitation and then turn them loose on society is a horrible idea and a big part of why there are so many repeat criminals. Attempt rehab, if they comitt another crime, move them to stage 2 where there is still an attempt at rehab, but not as nice of a place to be. If they get out and comitt another offense, send them to the life sentence facility. Of course, if the first or second offense was bad enough, just go ahead and send them to the life sentence facility (rape, child molestation.)
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[*]Are women's right important? How important?
Of course they are important. I do not feel abortion is a woman's right. On abortion, I could actually be okay with very early term abortions, not that I would say its fine, but once there is a heartbeat, I don't buy the "its just a fetus" garbage. Up until that, I respect the fact that others disagree with me. As far as work goes, women can do almost anything men can, and do it just as well. Exceptions, NFL football. The day I see a female offensive linewoman in the NFL, I will withdraw that claim. Me and my wife both work. I've made a lot more than her at times, she's currently making much more than me. I have no problem with that, she is worth every penny she earns and I support her career choices.
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[*]How do conservatives believe we can reform education? (THIS IS A BIG CONCERN TO ME! OUR COUNTRY IS FALLING BEHIND)
I don't really know the answer, but America has proven that throwing money at it flat out does not work.
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[*]What is the worst political mistake in history? (nothing from at least 20 years ago)
Too many to narrow it down.
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[*]How do conservatives believe we can help the poor people (who are truly on welfare and not abusing it for help but cannot find jobs)?
Programs that offer actual items for helping people, rather than checks. Charity, churches, and stronger communities built by the communities, not the federal government. Tax incentives for job creation.
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[*]Illegal immigration? What do you think?
Close the border. Period. Develop a plan for tracking migrant workers. Speed up the citizenship process some. Crack down HARD on businesses that hire illegals, put them out of business.
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[*]ANYTHING YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT ABOUT CONSERVATISM![/list]
Not enough time to answer now. It took too long to type the other!

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Also, if you choose to reply please let me know if I can "quote" you in my writings. Thank you!

I look forward to it!
And no, I do not have any political classes. This is solely for my enjoyment. And if you intend on coming and commenting, please try to be serious. Thanks!

Oh and if you want to say something to me but not on here, you can DM me some beliefs. Thanks.
You can quote me if you wish.
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Old 01-16-2010, 06:30 PM
 
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Because they are our protection from those who would love to destroy us. They protect our freedom and our way of life. However, I do not always agree with the way our politicians use the military. I can't think of a single president in my life that hasn't misused our military. That angers me.
EXTREMELY. The government should NEVER be allowed to disarm the citizens. My own personal reason for wanting guns revolves around the fact that when seconds count, the police are always minutes away. I do not want to leave my safety to the police.
Pro-choice, no. Gay marriage, yes.
The US is based on an extremely broad and diverse set of beliefs, but IMO, the most important, is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Socialism views? None that I can think of. I don't believe that all socialism views are bad, I just prefer to not hand excess power to the government. Both parties want the goverment to have more power, just in different places.
Community level along the lines of charities. I would not oppose taxation of churches that are run like a business though, and would not have a problem with capping salaries in churches. If a church wanted to avoid the salary cap, they lose their tax exempt status. Too many money focused megachurches that are nothing more than amenity centers for people to congregate. If the Red Cross and Salvation Army started building outrageously elaborate and expensive facilities, most religous people would be irate, but they ignore it at their own churches.
I'm not really anti union, but the very close relationship between politicians and unions bothers me as much as any other business that tries to corrupt our political system for their benefit.
Sort of, but things would have to get EXTREMELY BAD, far worse than they are right now. Overall it seems like a bad idea.
If it were being applied evenly regardless of race and financial status, and there was a way to ensure no false convictions, I'm all for it. But that is not the case, so personally I'd rather see a seperate prison for people serving life sentences where there are less benefits (TV, etc). Then you could put people who will eventually be released into prisons that were better suited to rehabilitate people for life once they are released. To refuse rehabilitation and then turn them loose on society is a horrible idea and a big part of why there are so many repeat criminals. Attempt rehab, if they comitt another crime, move them to stage 2 where there is still an attempt at rehab, but not as nice of a place to be. If they get out and comitt another offense, send them to the life sentence facility. Of course, if the first or second offense was bad enough, just go ahead and send them to the life sentence facility (rape, child molestation.)
Of course they are important. I do not feel abortion is a woman's right. On abortion, I could actually be okay with very early term abortions, not that I would say its fine, but once there is a heartbeat, I don't buy the "its just a fetus" garbage. Up until that, I respect the fact that others disagree with me. As far as work goes, women can do almost anything men can, and do it just as well. Exceptions, NFL football. The day I see a female offensive linewoman in the NFL, I will withdraw that claim. Me and my wife both work. I've made a lot more than her at times, she's currently making much more than me. I have no problem with that, she is worth every penny she earns and I support her career choices.
I don't really know the answer, but America has proven that throwing money at it flat out does not work.
Too many to narrow it down.
Programs that offer actual items for helping people, rather than checks. Charity, churches, and stronger communities built by the communities, not the federal government. Tax incentives for job creation.
Close the border. Period. Develop a plan for tracking migrant workers. Speed up the citizenship process some. Crack down HARD on businesses that hire illegals, put them out of business.
Not enough time to answer now. It took too long to type the other!



You can quote me if you wish.
I really liked some things you wrote. I plan on using it. If I quote you, do you want me to use your username or would you prefer a name?
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I know to whom to be greatful for my ability to pursue life, liberty, and the pusuit of happiness.
Greatful?

If you only knew the irony. Many years ago I remember reading a Sowell column in which he joked about some reader who took offense to his description of American education by saying something along the lines of "I'm greatful for all the schools have done for me." If you read that column, obviously you didn't get the joke.

Learn how to spell, grandpa.

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For sure, Thomas Sowell is not the least complicated read of all time. I know that for reasonable people with a measure of analytical skills and reading comprehension he does a very good job of proferring conservatism over liberalism and exposes the false tenants of the latter
False tenants? Are you trying to be funny?


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about as good as anyone.
About as 'good' as anyone with a shortage of adverbs.

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I know that I am a conservative and understand the tenants of conservatism
Wow, "tenants" actually wasn't just a typo!

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and as such accept no ambiguities that you suggested when you brought up Sowell.
Your brain obviously doesn't process ambiguities very well. That's likely why you're what's now called "conservative."

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I'll give you this though, it is better than reading Timothy Leary or the latest edition of the onion.
Timothy Leary (who's been dead for 13 years and hasn't been publishing very much) was a self-described libertarian, as a matter of fact. Gee, why am I shocked you didn't know that?

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I know that communication is more than a regurgitation of eight letter words. So tell me what do you know impetuous one? Give me your best liberal diatribe. How about a nice cut and paste.
No need, I'm sufficiently impressed by the fact that you could spell "impetuous" correctly--although I'm not sure you know what it means.
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Knowing all these things about conservatives, it sure makes me wonder why they keep voting Republican. It's like believing on one thing, and then voting for the opposite.
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