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Old 01-14-2010, 04:11 PM
 
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WE have to rememeber that nothing can get done without the government and peoples cooperation and WE are not in charge there.

We aren't in charge of Iraq, either, but it hasn't stopped us there.
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Old 01-14-2010, 06:12 PM
 
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Let these people start taking care of themselves. There I said it. Personal responsibility, something something, shouldn't have destroyed your only export, something something.
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Old 01-14-2010, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I'm not a botanist so I'm not sure how remotely feasible this idea is, but why not try growing bamboo in parts of the island? obviously, it's not a native species and I have no clue how it would hold up against hurricanes and soil erosion, but I was thinking, since bamboo is becoming very popular in construction, it could be produced there. who knows if this is possible though and I don't think it would solve issues w/ soil erosion but it may provide another source of income
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:17 PM
 
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We aren't in charge of Iraq, either, but it hasn't stopped us there.
Then it would make no sense to try it in Haiti.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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What do you expect them to use as a fuel source, dirt ?
Excellent point. Since most Haitians are so poor, the can't afford stoves that use natural gas or any other fuel, except for wood. That's what is mostly used for cooking. They use a lot of clay (dirt) stoves. The ones I have seen are shaped like a horseshoe, and just wide enough to accommodate a pot, While to pot sits on top, the opening in front allows for pushing the wood sticks underneath of the pot. The fire is started in the stove first, of course. The pop is placed on top of the stove after some of the smoke has dissipated and the fire is burning hot.

I also remember seen stoves that consisted of three stones that were of about the same heigh, placed across each other in a circular pattern. The circle was formed in the middle of the rocks. The wood sticks would be added through the openings between the rocks. The center of the circle was were the fire took place. This idea can be useful anywhere when surviving outdoors.

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Old 01-15-2010, 02:26 AM
 
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Nothing will get done short of a complete takeover. You can't trust the Haitian people to do it no matter how much $ and training you provide them. Perhaps a lot of initial supervision by us might work, which would take decades if not hundreds of yrs to see complete change.

Now I know why my political science professor (a long time ago) called such countries, fairly or unfairly, a basketcase.
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Old 01-15-2010, 03:06 AM
 
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First of all we have a population that has a literacy rate of 53% and has been run by dictators for decades.
You need a stable government to make sure that reforestation is sustainable but when you have people who are thinking about eating first the last thing they worry about is a forest full of trees.
This is the poorest nation in our hemisphere yet we have paid more attention to Afghanistan instead.
This really is our Afghanistan here but we ignore Haiti because they aren't radicals.
Sometimes I think how many Americans forget how blessed we are as a nation. We need to step outside sometimes and realize the world we live in so comfortably is not the true reality.
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Old 01-15-2010, 03:12 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I can see where you're coming from, but how about dealing with topsoil loss and deforestation in the USA first? Until we can figure out a way to supply our own energy needs, feed all of our citizens, and keep all Americans that want work employed, why hypothosize on how to improve Haiti?
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Old 01-15-2010, 04:33 AM
 
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What do you expect them to use as a fuel source, dirt ?
Exactly, but what use is replanting the forests if it becomes firewood in less than a generation?
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:17 AM
 
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Haitiís sorrowful rank as the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere and one of the poorest in the world has been directly attributed to the degradation of Haitiís natural environment (less than 1.5% of its original tree cover remains intact) as well as a lack of governance structures, underinvestment in social capital, obstacles to private investment, and a spiraling ďpoverty trapď.

Haiti’s Poverty is Directly Linked to Deforestation and Habitat Loss : Red, Green, and Blue
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