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Old 01-16-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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National Journal Magazine - Colossal Miscalculation On Health Care

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Obama and Hill Democrats should have focused much more on the economy.
Instead they spent a year on a massive piece of legislation, a complete overhaul of our Health Care industry, in an effort to give obama the "victory" he so desired. No matter that the legislation would be bad for the country, businesses and individuals - as long as obama had a win, what else mattered?

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More to the point, though, is the probability that if Obama and Hill Democrats had taken a more modest approach to health care reform, they could have pivoted back to jobs and the economy sooner.
Exactly why his numbers on the economy, HC, deficits, spending and the debt are in the tank. He has obsessed on HC like a zealot, to the neglect of everything else.

The Mandate; the complete illusion that obama and the democrats took away from the 2008 election. Excellent article that summarizes the state of unrest and how we got this way.

Political Memo - Democrats Fret That Public Is Dissatisfied - NYTimes.com

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Democrats Fret That Public Is Dissatisfied
Is that the understatement of the year?

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Democrats across the country are starting to wonder aloud if they misjudged the electorate over the last year, with profound ramifications for the midterm elections this year and, potentially, for Mr. Obama’s presidency.
You bet they did. Some believed obama and his promises of fiscal responsibility, transparency, bipartisanship and a "new" way of doing business in DC. Turns out, none of that was true and things are much worse under his Chicago-style of politics and governance.

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The Massachusetts campaign has neatly encapsulated the major themes that have come to deplete Mr. Obama’s popularity, themes that have fueled the rise of the Tea Party movement on the right and created an atmosphere where growing numbers of Democrats in conservative-leaning districts and states have decided not to run again.
Scott Brown is running directly against obamacare. IF he wins, maybe that will knock some sense into the congressional democrats to ditch the whole thing and start over, with small, incremental changes that 1/6th of our economy demands.
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Old 01-16-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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Who cares? I'm more interested in life and death matters such as Fox News ratings.
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Old 01-16-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Excellent post and information. The dems will ram this bill through with only 51 votes if necessary. I just wished they had removed all the unecessary pork and nonsense to give the masses a more reasonable health care bill. Does anyone know what is even in the latest revision? It is painfully obvious that the welfare/bottom dwellers are the only ones that don't care what is in the bill as long as they get their cookie.
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Old 01-16-2010, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Excellent post and information. The dems will ram this bill through with only 51 votes if necessary. I just wished they had removed all the unecessary pork and nonsense to give the masses a more reasonable health care bill. Does anyone know what is even in the latest revision? It is painfully obvious that the welfare/bottom dwellers are the only ones that don't care what is in the bill as long as they get their cookie.
I don't think they will. If Brown wins, so many democrats will be looking over their shoulders and it will finally be clear to them that the public does not like this bill and the way they have processed it through hyper-partisanship.

Two choices if Brown wins;

Scrap the tweaking and try to get the house to vote on the Senate bill, unaltered, which will be a tough sell.

Start over again.

Or, commit political suicide by continuing to push this bill through both chambers.

If Brown wins, they will lose votes, no doubt.
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Old 01-16-2010, 03:07 PM
 
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Without a doubt!

"Senator Evan Bayh, Democrat of Indiana, said the atmosphere was a serious threat to Democrats. “I do think there’s a chance that Congressional elites mistook their mandate,” Mr. Bayh said. "I don’t think the American people last year voted for higher taxes, higher deficits and a more intrusive government. But there’s a perception that that is what they are getting."

Bayh gets it! NO ONE wanted higher taxes, higher deficits, and a more intrusive government... so why are Obama and his Congressional Dems working so hard to deliver exactly that? Are they THAT out of touch with the American people?

They need to be booted out of our government... NOW!
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Old 01-16-2010, 05:54 PM
 
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Who cares? I'm more interested in life and death matters such as Fox News ratings.
Who cares what you think.
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Old 01-16-2010, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Charlie Cook is a wee-bit of a hypocrite:

"Most economists had been expecting an increase of about 50,000 jobs in December; instead, the total declined by 85,000"

"A number of economists expect that unemployment will get worse before it gets better. Even if that prediction is wrong, some analysts estimate that Labor's household employment survey would have to show a net increase of 150,000 jobs a month for 48 straight months for the unemployment rate to drop to just 9 percent"

So initially he points out economic predictions aren't reliable or accurate, but then his premise of ripping Obama is the fact that economic predictions say things may not get better.

"Since World War II, unemployment has exceeded 8 percent in a total of only 12 months in even-numbered (meaning, congressional election) years. All 12 months were in 1982."

And Reagan won re-election in a cakewalk 2 years later.

If Cook really thinks Obama isn't focused enough on the economy, which was his point, look at the bills he's passed. Whether you agree with them or is another story, but the majority of his bills were focused on the idea of getting economic wheels in motion and getting money in the pockets of working class people. You can question the effectiveness of them all you want, but I wouldn't question the objective.
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The economic wheels have come off, thanks to obama and his stimulus/budget.

I'm not sure I understand why you are quoting there - all that you list happens to be true - why is Cook, the democrat, a hypocrite?
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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The economic wheels have come off, thanks to obama and his stimulus/budget.
No, they haven't. The GDP has risen 2 straight quarters, the SBI spiked higher between March and November than since 2002, and 401K's and mutual funds got better. With figures like that comes demand, then comes jobs. It's a fairly long process.

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I'm not sure I understand why you are quoting there - all that you list happens to be true - why is Cook, the democrat, a hypocrite?
He pointed out that economic predictions said jobs would increase in December, but they didn't. But then his whole premise of ripping Obama was the fact economic predictions say things will get worse in Q1 2010, literally the paragraph after he shows it's not a reliable means of judging the future economy.
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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They have spent and wasted an entire year on HC and still have nothing worth messing with.

They kinda forgot that jobs and the economy were the most important issues.

It took Obama 10 months to even say the word jobs. Now, almost 1 year later he finally spoke the words education which was a big deal of his campaign.

They have totally screwed up everything from day one.

With total control, an open fake checkbook and I dont care what you think attitude they could have at least found ways to create some jobs so people would not have lost their homes in record numbers.

Sad they allowed this to happen while they work on a scam HC bill that only helps a small group of people.

They will pay for their mistakes in time and Obama will get the total blame for it all.
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