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Old 01-19-2010, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I am still here and have not given up on the science of studying the climates of various regions on our planet and how they have changed through time. I have also followed the political aspects of this debate and concluded that the Left says we are responsible for this change and we should reduce producing Carbon Dioxide to slow the changes. The Right says the change is not happening, we didn't burn the carbon anyway and even if we did and the climate is changing because of it we should keep going because we are making money doing what we are doing and we will not accept responsible anyway.

The left’s response is adult. Look at the evidence and take responsibility for the current and possible damages. Then make the changes necessary to reduce the impact. The Right has the exact opposite response. It whines like a spoiled child caught stealing cookies. It is not happening, if it is happening, we didn’t do it and we can’t afford to change as we will lose money and investing in the change is too risky anyway.

The climate is changing to a warmer mode but the attitudes and politics are not. Both sides are acting as expected. Adults opposed to the whining brats.
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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I am still here and have not given up on the science of studying the climates of various regions on our planet and how they have changed through time. I have also followed the political aspects of this debate and concluded that the Left says we are responsible for this change and we should reduce producing Carbon Dioxide to slow the changes. The Right says the change is not happening, we didn't burn the carbon anyway and even if we did and the climate is changing because of it we should keep going because we are making money doing what we are doing and we will not accept responsible anyway.

The left’s response is adult. Look at the evidence and take responsibility for the current and possible damages. Then make the changes necessary to reduce the impact. The Right has the exact opposite response. It whines like a spoiled child caught stealing cookies. It is not happening, if it is happening, we didn’t do it and we can’t afford to change as we will lose money and investing in the change is too risky anyway.

The climate is changing to a warmer mode but the attitudes and politics are not. Both sides are acting as expected. Adults opposed to the whining brats.
Greg you view of what the "right" says/believes could not be more incorrect.
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:08 PM
 
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What part would I be a violation of? Simply pointing out to others that your arguments are political, not scientific? Would it be pointing out that you resort to an extensive list of fallacies when your bluff is called with actual scientific information?
This is a direct violation of TOS:
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Seriously folks, pay no attention to Bluefly. She/he has no clue of what they are talking about and no self respect to back off when they look like a complete fool.
I pinned Bluefly into a corner a while ago on this very subject only to hear him/her whine about how they didn't care about the science. Do not entertain the dunces, scold them and send them to the corner like the underachievers they are.
I will not swim with children in the pool. Either grow up or let the adults have the pool.




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You told me yourself once:
Yes. I know what I told you. I don't have a clue why you keep bringing up a fact that just undermines your entire point as if it's some "gotcha" moment for you. The fact that we need to stop polluting locally and create technologies and lifestyles that do not harm our planet is a fact, regardless of what global warming is doing. As I have said over and over, I have no doubt humans are not the only influence and that the far leftists are using this circumstance for political gain. I'm not the bogey man you seek.

You want me to engage in your little rebuttal links that you use over and over, ignoring the thousands of studies for which you don't have any rebuttal. Consider yourself fortunate I allow you off the hook. I know the science VERY well, but choose not to engage you because you have demonstrated a novice level understanding with a profound political bias, making substantive discussion irrelevant. Might as well have a discussion with SunnyDay.

Anyway - stop trying to derail this thread. Not every global warming thread is a debate about the merits of the science. Answer the question or go back in the sandbox:

If cold weather is an indication that global warming is a hoax (based on the proliferation of threads started during coldfronts), what are unseasonably warmfronts indication of in the eyes of global warming deniers?
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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They were such prolific posters when the last coldfront was moving through.

Now that there's spring weather in the middle of January throughout even the most wintery of locales, they seem to have disappeared.
Where are you talking about?

We are expecting freezing rain in Chi-town.

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People who think global warming is a hoax come out in droves when it's cold and then disappear when it's warm.
Where is the "warming"? Over here, its cold as all heck.
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The OP must not have heard the "latest" news.

Australias top scientific group says AGW is uncertain.

The IPCC just had to retract another fear mongering prediction from their 4th Report - somehow the claim that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035 made it in the report - with NO science to back it up, no peer reviewed studies, just speculation.

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I know the science VERY well, but choose not to engage you
Uh-huh. Sure. What ever you say.

You've proven over and over again how much you know.
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:17 PM
 
Location: mancos
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They were such prolific posters when the last coldfront was moving through.

Now that there's spring weather in the middle of January throughout even the most wintery of locales, they seem to have disappeared.
still here. shoveling snow in SW CO. just the first of 3 storms by sat. and plenty cold too. what spring weather are you speaking of?
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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They were such prolific posters when the last coldfront was moving through.

Now that there's spring weather in the middle of January throughout even the most wintery of locales, they seem to have disappeared.
We are just resting from trying to figure out ways to pollute the environment, deny healthcare to poor children, and starve the elderly.
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:18 PM
 
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They were such prolific posters when the last coldfront was moving through.

Now that there's spring weather in the middle of January throughout even the most wintery of locales, they seem to have disappeared.
Where are all the anti global warming folks?

Probably out celebrating the news:

U.N. Official, Yvo de Boer, Says Climate Deal Is at Risk - NYTimes.com
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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They were such prolific posters when the last coldfront was moving through.

Now that there's spring weather in the middle of January throughout even the most wintery of locales, they seem to have disappeared.
We obviously thought the hoax deniers wised up to the AGW scam. But if a few deniers are still abound, here is some more refuted claims you can chew on:

"U.N. climate chiefs apologize for glacier error"

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CNN -- The U.N.'s leading panel on climate change has apologized for misleading data published in a 2007 report that warned Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035.

In a statement released Wednesday, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said estimates relating to the rate of recession of the Himalayan glaciers in its Fourth Assessment Report were "poorly substantiated" adding that "well-established standards of evidence were not applied properly."

U.N. climate chiefs apologize for glacier error - CNN.com
They went on to say that they do not have enough data about "glacier change measurements" for anyone to make any claims about the glaciers in the Himalayas.
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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We are just resting from trying to figure out ways to pollute the environment, deny healthcare to poor children, and starve the elderly.
You forgot the months of mind control chants to force the residents of Massachusetts to vote for Brown, that was extremely tiresome, glad we can finally take a break. Then we will be off chanting again, this time causing Biden to make more verbal gaffes in public, and forcing Pelosi to look like an imbecile or an escaped mental patient... or is that Biden too....
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