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Old 01-20-2010, 07:17 PM
 
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...no. It's never about weather patterns. It's about overall global change. So, incorrect.

Also - if science is overwhelmingly behind a concept, how is it a religion? Isn't it simply evidence that I am capable of putting politics and belief aside and trust the best data of research available to us now?

Isn't that what scientists do? What religion do you label them?
Scientists with a motive and ideology behind them aren't exactly scientists in the field... if its not a religion to you, why don't you explain to everyone the PRECISE mechanism/science of global warming and we will go at it from there... its one thing to know what it is, its another to just plain believe in it...
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:18 PM
 
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for me a coldfront is normal. you see everything is normal where i live. i see no change over the last 57 years. back in 1982 i got a sunburn in january working outside without a shirt as a warmfront moved in but never since. good thing al wasnt around then the freak would have even more believers
Just so we're clear, by "freak" which scientist are you referring to?

I would have thought you meant Al Gore, since the people least educated on this subject seem to think he is the ring leader of a vast conspiracy that he invented in 2000 (usually the first they heard of this issue), but we all know that Gore just created a slide show about the science that had existed for decades.

So, who's this new freak?
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:20 PM
 
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"slide show"?? More like side show...
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:22 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Al Gore is the freak like i said ok you happy
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:22 PM
 
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Scientists with a motive and ideology behind them aren't exactly scientists in the field... if its not a religion to you, why don't you explain to everyone the PRECISE mechanism/science of global warming and we will go at it from there... its one thing to know what it is, its another to just plain believe in it...
By precise mechanism, you mean CO2 in the atmosphere? It's pretty basic - we take carbon from the earth, convert it into a gas by burning it, and spread it in the atmosphere. It prevents heat from escaping and warms the entire sphere - thus, creating an effect similar to that created by a greenhouse.

Similarly, we experienced a global cooling between 1940-1970ish because we were releasing so much particulate matter into the atmosphere through industry that it was reflecting sunlight back before it even reached the earth.

Thankfully, through innovation and regulation we've been able to mitigate that problem. Hopefully, we can do the same with the gas issue.
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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They were such prolific posters when the last coldfront was moving through.

Now that there's spring weather in the middle of January throughout even the most wintery of locales, they seem to have disappeared.

Their fingers are too frozen to type.....
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:25 PM
 
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Al Gore is the freak like i said ok you happy
I think Carrot Top is a bit of a freak myself, but neither famous people have anything to do with the topic.
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:41 PM
 
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By precise mechanism, you mean CO2 in the atmosphere? It's pretty basic - we take carbon from the earth, convert it into a gas by burning it, and spread it in the atmosphere. It prevents heat from escaping and warms the entire sphere - thus, creating an effect similar to that created by a greenhouse.

Similarly, we experienced a global cooling between 1940-1970ish because we were releasing so much particulate matter into the atmosphere through industry that it was reflecting sunlight back before it even reached the earth.

Thankfully, through innovation and regulation we've been able to mitigate that problem. Hopefully, we can do the same with the gas issue.
Great... now... with every hypothesis there is a null hypothesis... what is needed to disprove your junk? If nothing, then its a RELIGION
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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By precise mechanism, you mean CO2 in the atmosphere? It's pretty basic - we take carbon from the earth, convert it into a gas by burning it, and spread it in the atmosphere. It prevents heat from escaping and warms the entire sphere - thus, creating an effect similar to that created by a greenhouse.

Similarly, we experienced a global cooling between 1940-1970ish because we were releasing so much particulate matter into the atmosphere through industry that it was reflecting sunlight back before it even reached the earth.

Thankfully, through innovation and regulation we've been able to mitigate that problem. Hopefully, we can do the same with the gas issue.
co2 levels were 3 times higher 20,000 years ago

current co2 levels are 385ppm

actually co2 is good


guess what

co2 levels were over 700 ppm 20 thousand years ago....so what's the big deal

guess what, by science no less...the ideal co2 ppm for hemp is....700 ppm

As the air's CO2 content rises, most plants exhibit increased rates of net photosynthesis and biomass production. Moreover, on a per-unit-leaf-area basis, plants exposed to elevated CO2 concentrations are likely to lose less water via transpiration, as they tend to display lower stomatal conductances. Hence, the amount of carbon gained per unit of water lost per unit leaf area - or water-use efficiency - should increase dramatically as the air's CO2 content rises. In the study of Serraj et al. (1999), soybeans grown at 700 ppm CO2 displayed 10 to 25% reductions in total water loss while simultaneously exhibiting increases in dry weight of as much as 33%. Thus, elevated CO2 significantly increased the water-use efficiencies of the studied plants.

In summary, it is clear that as the CO2 content of the air continues to rise, nearly all of earth's agricultural species will respond favorably by exhibiting increases in water-use efficiency. It is thus likely that food and fiber production will increase on a worldwide basis, even in areas where productivity is severely restricted due to limited availability of soil moisture. Therefore, one can expect global agricultural productivity to rise in tandem with future increases in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration.



so more co2 is actually GREENER

its not theroy, its scientific fact


science shows that humans use oxygen and expele (exhale) co2

science shows that greenery (plantlife) uses co2 and expeles o2

science shows that co2 levels have been 3 times HIGHER than they are today, in the past (ie the co2 325 of today is is much lower than the 750-800 that co2 levels were 100,000 years ago

science shows us that the earth has warmed AND cooled many times

science shows us that ANTARTICA was once a lush furtile land, not covered in ice

science shows us that greenland was once a green lush furtile land, not covered with ice

science shows us that GLACIERS created many of the geographical features that we look at today (ie Long Island was made by the lower reaching of graciers, the great lakes were created by glaciers, the grand canyon was created by glacial melting)

science shows us that plants would grow much better, and use less water if the co2 was HIGHER

common sense states that as the earths polulation expands, so does the need for more plantlife...so keep our oxygen levels up.......yet the global warming people only want to talk about tailpipe exaust man created co2, and how to tax it.

there are plenty of other benefits to the planet from global warming. Because warming is concentrated at the poles, large sections of the continental landmasses in the Northern Hemisphere that are currently too cold to be used for productive agriculture would become usable. Current agricultural lands would be warmed, but not as seriously impacted as warming closer to the equator is less severe. Also, warming is supposedly more prevalent during the winter months, lessening the length and severity of cold months leading to longer growing and allowing us to spend less of our resources on heating (wood, fossil fuels, electricity). Furthermore, warming would increase air temperature near and water temperature in the oceans, leading to increased evaporation and moisture in the atmosphere. This moisture would then fall as rain on the continents, further increasing the land's agricultural carrying capacity, thus allowing us to grow more food (and lessen the severity of current water shortages).



so more co2 is actually GREENER
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:56 PM
 
Location: mancos
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I think Carrot Top is a bit of a freak myself, but neither famous people have anything to do with the topic.
who is Carrot Top ? some redhead i would guess.is carrot a global warming denier ? you keep loosing me
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