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I didn't vote for Obama because I was worried that he would be the most radically left-wing president in our history. It turns out I was wrong. He's just like every other president, just in a different package.
It's annoying that so many people get hung up on irrelevant, minor details and miss out on the big picture. We've been sold out by virtually every president we've had for the last 100 years. Obama has sold us out. Bush sold us out. McCain would have sold us out. Kerry would have sold us out. Gore would have sold us out...
OP: Stop clinging to your right-wing ideology. It's blinding you to the truth. The US is a corporate state. Democrat...Republican...they're just meaningless labels used to get people to argue about things that don't matter while you're being robbed blind by your corporate overlords.
This part of your post: "" ...sums up the whiny aspect of what being a conservative is all about.
It would be nice if cons could stop whining for just one day, and maybe then they'd think to stop blaming everyone and everything else in their lives and then even take a little responsibility for themselves. Highly unlikely, but I can always be hopeful for them; it's for their own good.
A Conservative will cry for his country when he or she sees it in distress. America is a land in distress right now. Economically and otherwise.
I take charge of my life everyday. I work FT and attend school FT. I live under a VERY strict budget and do not spend $1 that I do not have.
I do not take or want anything from the government, other than to stop taking over 35% of my income in taxes. I make around $40,000 per year and yet only get to keep $27,000 of it after taxes.
WHY should the government be allowed to rob $13,000 of my paycheck per year in taxes and then go out and borrow $2 Trillion from China, UAE, the Saudis, etc in 1 year, Obama's first year, and then stick ME with the interest of this debt??
WHAT have I done to deserve to have 1 president approve the Democratic leaders plan to raise the "allowed debt limit" (meaning, allow more out of control debt borrowing) by at least $1.8 trillion, enough to ensure they would not have to revisit the issue before the November 2010 congressional elections??
Is it whining to state that I hurt watching the USA destroy itself economically?? If so, I will be whining all day long!!!
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Why not be honest yourself and state that it wouldn't matter what Obama did....you have a problem with him because of his ancestry.
I do not understand why the Rabid Right is so afraid to admit the truth. Why hide behind non-existent reasoning and slander against the man?
Look at the corrupt backroom bribes by Obama's Congressional crew. Look at the out of unsustainable debt he is creating along with Congressional Democrats. Look at Obama lying about putting health care negotiations on C-SPAN. Look at Obama's radical appointees, including Communists, anti-American socisalists and mloves of Mao Zedong. Look at weakness on responding to terrorist attacks. Look at Obama denying the Islamists killing US soldiers (Arkansas first and then Ft. Hood). Look at Obama not having the Christmas airplane terrorist NOT interrogated. Look at Obama soil his pants to Iran and allow the USA get humilitaed by Venezuela during a conference. Look at over 10% unemployment (official) and 17.8% undermeployment (A-6 report). Look at a Stimulus that was supposed to keep unemployment below 8% and unemployed soared after it passed. Look at
Do any of these things have to do with race?? Or are claims of Racism the ONLY way the left plans on defending this president?
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How do you feel about George Washington?
Just curious.
He was the most beloved president this country has ever had. A real leader, a reluctant leader, who refused to be kind and retruned the power to the people and went back to Mt. Vernon to be a private citizen.
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Nobody "whining",...just stating facts.
My point exactly. But the way they tried to defuse me was by saying it has to do with Obama being 1/2 black and 1/2 white and not his disastrous policies, corruption, and bad judgment.
I laugh at the racism tactic because one cannot hate its own race. It does not work anymore. I know the truth, I am not a racist. It doesn't work anymore. That is why the Dems will be punished in the Nov 2010 elections for their incompetence and corruption and the "racism" accusations won't work.
.........there is an American President who I wouldn't walk across the street to see. Also,...there is an American President who would not be welcome into my home.
I've never felt this way about another American President, although FDR would run a close second. And before all you race-card-players start pounding your keyboards,...let me say that race has no part in my statement,...I just abhor a President who constantly apologize for America on his travels, who proposes policies counter to what made this nation great, who has lied his way into the White House, and who has closely associated with people whose ideals oppose our way of life.
It takes more courage to address the real issues (and therefore apologize for our wrong doings) in the world. Our meddling in the Middle East, our hypocrisy (you know, like claiming we spread democracy while overthrowing a democratically elected President and installing a dictator) is what causes many of our problems.
Unfortunately a large population of America likes it's reality dumbed waaaaay down. They like to hear about Apple Pie, Ice Cream, and that bad guys "hate us for our freedom."
The moment we deal with our problems like adults, and accept reality, is the moment we step towards solving problems. I'd take integrity and truth (no matter how painful) over sugar coated jingoism anyday.
A Conservative will cry for his country when he or she sees it in distress. America is a land in distress right now. Economically and otherwise.
Do you believe the Republicans are better than the Democrats? I'm not talking about ideology. So don't give me any ideological BS. I want to know, in a practical sense, are the Republicans better?
The reason I ask, I'm a former a Republican and I can't say that they are. I'm a former Republican (Eisenhower was my favorite 20th century president) because I can no longer align myself with a party that has sold me out. I'm not saying I've become a Democrat, either. Far from it. I just get very angry at partisan Republicans, conservatives, or whatever else they want to call themselves. It's as though they care more about being right than anything else. Politics isn't a game, you're a fool if you root for Republicans like you root for your favorite football team. And I think most Republicans are fools. They would rather argue with Democrats over things that don't matter...like would you invite Obama into your house...rather than tackle real issues. If this is what Americans have become, we deserve everything coming to us.
It takes more courage to address the real issues (and therefore apologize for our wrong doings) in the world. Our meddling in the Middle East, our hypocrisy (you know, like claiming we spread democracy while overthrowing a democratically elected President and installing a dictator) is what causes many of our problems.
The moment we deal with our problems like adults, and accept reality, is the moment we step towards solving problems. I'd take integrity and truth (no matter how painful) over sugar coated jingoism anyday.
I do NOT agree that the USA is out there setting up dictators and meddling all over the world.
I believe the USA is a noble nation that donates more aid to foreign countries than probably the rest of the world combined and has risked the lives of its soldiers to fight to prevent genocide and dictatorship. I also know that the USA has defeated Fascism, Communism, Nazism, genocide, oppression, and totalitarianism throughout its history. That is the Conservative view of America. That is my view of this noble nation.
Your view, which is clearly a liberal viewpoint, shared by people like Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Hugo Chavez, and the Castros, is that the USA is an evil empire, oppressing people and stealing from others. I disagree with the Liberal view of the USA on the world stage all day long.
In regards to taking responsibility for past mistakes...., please see my response below (regarding Michael Steele). But just as an FYI, I AGREE with that all day long. But the USA has little to apologize for internationally, since it's always had noble intentions and the USA has done MORE good than evil abroad. Look at this Haiti relief: the USA is giving out $100 Million (cash alone, for now, but I am sure more is coming), while China is giving $5 million, Venezuela is giving NOTHIN, Germany is giving $6 Million, Saudi Arabia, etc all are giving nothing.
Should we apologize we are not giving them $1 Billion instead of $100 Million + unlimited food, water, and security aid???
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Do you believe the Republicans are better than the Democrats? I'm not talking about ideology. So don't give me any ideological BS. I want to know, in a practical sense, are the Republicans better?
The reason I ask, I'm a former a Republican and I can't say that they are. I'm a former Republican (Eisenhower was my favorite 20th century president) because I can no longer align myself with a party that has sold me out. I'm not saying I've become a Democrat, either. Far from it. I just get very angry at partisan Republicans, conservatives, or whatever else they want to call themselves. It's as though they care more about being right than anything else. Politics isn't a game, you're a fool if you root for Republicans like you root for your favorite football team. And I think most Republicans are fools. They would rather argue with Democrats over things that don't matter...like would you invite Obama into your house...rather than tackle real issues. If this is what Americans have become, we deserve everything coming to us.
This is an interesting one. This is the first time I have heard someone say they are an "Eisenhower Republican". I can understand a Reagan Republican, but you want to go back to Eisenhower?!?!? Most people were not even born during that time. I won't ask how old you are, though.
The GOP has "sold out" on spending big time and some other core issues. That is why I am behind GOP chairperson Michael Steele, who wants to move the GOP back to its Conservative roots. He knows the GOP screwed up after 2004 on spending and other issues bigtime and he wants to correct the mistakes and reform the party.
As for parties, the Dems have gone so far to the left, they are dirving off a cliff now. The GOP has also gone left a lot, during Bush's 2nd term.
But there is a real strong chance now to bring back the GOP to its solid conservative principles before the 2010 midterms. Sarah Palin and Michael Steele and other key GOP Conservatives want to restore/purge the party of it's Progressive and Liberal members who are in Conservative districts.
The GOP shift back right is happening. There is awareness now in the party of Dede Scozzofava-type "Republicans" and the primary voters are going mostly for Conservative candidates. This actually started in 2008, after the GOP took a major whooping and the party began to realize it needed to go back to being center-right or just Conservative, depending on the district/state they are in.
Keep in mind that Sarah Palin is a THREAT to the GOP in 2012, especially if she says she is going 3rd party. This will FORCE the GOP to pull behind a Conservative candidate in 2012 or face a divided GOP in 2012.
Same situation with Steele's 10 Pledge plan, which requires GOP Congressional candidates who want RNC support to sign a pledge to abide by at least 8 of 10 Conservative principles.
I was also angry with the GOP for shifting left (I mean, come on, running McCain, a center left Progressive in 2008?!? >_<). But after the 2008 election and the recognition by the party that it lost its way and taking responsibility and begin reforming the party, I have basically renewed my hope that the GOP is getting its act together.
I do NOT agree that the USA is out there setting up dictators and meddling all over the world.
Well I'd beg to differ. Is it any wonder that Iran hates us after we installed the Shah? The man who ruled that country through torture, fear, murder etc? Might that have anything to do with it? Would it make us hypocrites to claim how much we love democracy, while overthrowing a democratically elected leader of that country? Are we being realistic ignoring acts such as these and there outcomes?
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I believe the USA is a noble nation that donates more aid to foreign countries than probably the rest of the world combined and has risked the lives of its soldiers to fight to prevent genocide and dictatorship. I also know that the USA has defeated Fascism, Communism, Nazism, genocide, oppression, and totalitarianism throughout its history. That is the Conservative view of America. That is my view of this noble nation.
I would agree with you. But one reality does not negate another.
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Your view, which is clearly a liberal viewpoint, shared by people like Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Hugo Chavez, and the Castros, is that the USA is an evil empire, oppressing people and stealing from others. I disagree with the Liberal view of the USA on the world stage all day long.
This is not my view. This is immature talk.
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In regards to taking responsibility for past mistakes...., please see my response below (regarding Michael Steele). But just as an FYI, I AGREE with that all day long. But the USA has little to apologize for internationally, since it's always had noble intentions and the USA has done MORE good than evil abroad.
Nobody is denying the good. However progress can only be made by addressing the bad. Ignoring the truth only causes more problems. Iraq was our latest debacle, and that is why so many people around the world despised Bush.
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Look at this Haiti relief: the USA is giving out $100 Million (cash alone, for now, but I am sure more is coming), while China is giving $5 million, Venezuela is giving NOTHIN, Germany is giving $6 Million, Saudi Arabia, etc all are giving nothing.
That's great, and again nobody is denying our ability to help others in great times of need. But again, by placing emphasis solely on that and ignoring our other misdeeds, we don't grow as a country. What Obama is doing is addressing our misgivings. I find that very noble and ultimately think it will benefit our country. Of course the right wing cheerleaders paint it as a form of "Weakness" but their world view seems to be: 1) We're number one 2) Can do no wrong 3) Diplomacy is for wimps 4) War is a great option. We can do better than that as a country.
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" ...sums up the whiny aspect of what being a conservative is all about.
I can understand a Reagan Republican, but you want to go back to Eisenhower?!?!? 
Most people were not even born during that time. I won't ask how old you are, though. 
