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Old 01-21-2010, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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I've been crunching the numbers a bit.

The Senate bill would expand medicare (aka, publicly funded health insurance) to those who make 133% above the poverty level.

The Average single in America makes about 11,000 a year at the poverty level. The average family of fours poverty level is about 23,000 dollars.

Now, if you see what 133% of those numbers are, that means if you are single, and make less than 15,000 a year, your insurance is now paid for. If you are in a family of four, and your income is less than 30,000 a year, you and your entire families healthcare is paid for.

Thats almost 50% of all Americans. At the very least, its 40% of all Americans. And thats the conservative Senate plan. The House plan would cover everyone up to 150% of the poverty line.

Republicans can't run to overturn the healthcare bill later, or they would instantly loose the election. You can't sit there and tell me, if someone is giving you free health insurance, that you didn't have before, you wouldn't vote against anyone who ran on taking that away.

They also can't allow it to pass, because those folks would feel entitled to vote for the party that passed such a reform, and since the current President is a Democrat, they'd feel completely loyal to him.

Democrats are fighting so hard for it, for the exact same reason. It would secure Democrats at least a 41% Senate ratio. That at least keeps them in the law making game forever.

So this is the real reason, why Republicans are so dead set against the bill. Its not the money spent on it, its nothing to do with a since of "small government" its to save their party from defeat in elections, well, forever.

And here's the thing Republicans aren't telling you about the Mass Senate race. Sure, if their guy wins, they'll have 41 seats in the Senate, and they can fillibuster.

But the bill has already passed the Senate. All the house has to do, is pass the Senate bill, as it stands right now. So really, the 41'st seat is really pointless at this point. You aren't going to tell me that the house won't pass the Senate bill TO THE LETTER if it means they pass a bill that secures them 50% to 40% of all Americans votes.

Thats the real reason why Republicans are against the bill, and the reason why Democrats are so dead set on passing it.
Overly simplistic view. There are MANY reasons republicans are opposed to this bill.

Nancy Pelosi already stated that she doesn't have the votes in the house to pass the senate version. So HCR as it stands is DOA.
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:17 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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...there are examples of successful and solvent systems form around the world. Take a country like Canada. We spend twice as much on health insurance and Medicare loses money. They have everybody in one pot and their system is self sustaining.
Not sure where you got that idea. Just two examples...
Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Metro Vancouver due to government underfunding, leaked paper (http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=1878506 - broken link)
BC Nurses Union (http://www.bcnu.org/whats_new_media/news_releases/2009/09-01.htm - broken link)
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