The lunacy of Ron Paul (Colin Powell, illegal, soldiers, Kennedy)

[diva360]

Originally Posted by summers73

This was just another race baiting thread spawned by a closet liberal.

Or it could be something else entirely. Don't f*** with my dead white progenitor male person Marine. Really--he shipped out of CA, and you are going to talk to me about Texas? Still waiting for the Ron Paul quotation--that is a person who is full of BS, and if you ask me how I know that, I will say that it is because "I can smell it from 20 feet away." I mean, really.

[harborlady]

7 pages of thread and there's almost nothing about ron paul. Incredible.

[summers73]

But there's a RINO crying wolf on Anti-Semitism. Guess mosommo was just bored and didn't really want to discuss what he meant by the "lunacy" of Ron Paul, other than spewing his particular brand of tinfoilhattery.

[floridasandy]

Originally Posted by diva360

He does not look well, physically. And I've lived in Texas.

how do you keep a thread on track when you have posts like these? i see ron paul as a patriot who is trying to get the federal reserve audited so americans can see where their tax dollars actually went, and i can't see where anyone would disagree with that.

this country could use some transparency and our economy shouldn't be in the shadows, with an international banking cartel making the decisions on our economic future.

[summers73]

Originally Posted by floridasandy

how do you keep a thread on track when you have posts like these? i see ron paul as a patriot who is trying to get the federal reserve audited so americans can see where their tax dollars actually went, and i can't see where anyone would disagree with that.

this country could use some transparency and our economy shouldn't be in the shadows, with an international banking cartel making the decisions on our economic future.

b-b-b-b-b-ut Joos, youtube fans and lunatic Ron Paul!

- mossomo

[LibertyandJusticeforAll]

Its nice that Ron Paul still makes it and actually carries a discussion.
Ron Paul 2012
Freedom will prevail.

[TnHilltopper]

Originally Posted by mossomo

Hello! The wall of text is more a headache than intimidation. There was no coup and is why I opined about lunacy.

Ok, so you opined because you refute there is or was a coup. Yet when I suggested how Paul's assertion could be seen as such, you dismiss all points by saying all points to the contrary give you a headache?

Ok, so what is a coup then, lets check Mr. Dictionary

coup - definition of coup by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

coup (k)
n. pl. coups (kz)
1. A brilliantly executed stratagem; a triumph.
2.
a. A coup d'état.
b. A sudden appropriation of leadership or power; a takeover: a boardroom coup.
3. Among certain Native American peoples, a feat of bravery performed in battle, especially the touching of an enemy's body without causing injury.

coup1
n
1. a brilliant and successful stroke or action
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) short for coup d'état
[from French: blow, from Latin colaphus blow with the fist, from Greek kolaphos]

I think one can make a plausible argument that the CIA has preformed a coup since its role in the war on terror allows it a latitude that no other single agency in our government has, and most of which has little to no oversight by anyone.

CIA Budget: An Unnecessary Secret | David Kopel | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary

Should the CIA's budget be secret? Three former CIA directors say no -- disclosure of the total amount of CIA spending would not harm national security, as long as individual budget items were kept secret.

Everything.

Which is why I suggested in my original post

So you took this statement to literally mean "everything"?

"They take out dictators... We need to take out the CIA"
- Ron Paul

I vote: Pandering to his base.

So in an attempt to show how the CIA has unprecedented powers, funding, and authority with little to no oversight, this opinion is pandering? I'm personally willing to bet that there people who are both conservative and liberal who might very well agree with this.

So for the debate to have sunshine, I ask you yes or no:

Do you believe in providing USA Miranda Rights to detained enemies in foreign lands?
Do you believe that providing USA Miranda Rights to terrorists make us safer?
Do you believe that Obama is running the country?
Do you believe the CIA is running the counrty?

So you dismissed any attempt at placing Ron Paul's statement into context as being "an attempt at intimidation and cause of a headache". Awesome rebuttal, I'll have to remember this one. Then reply by asking another series of questions to which only one even closely pertains to the topic if there actually is a topic.


My personal feeling is that this isn't about what Ron Paul said as attempts to discuss that have met with "lalalalalalalala I can't hear you, what you say doesn't matter". So thus I think I can reasonably assume my first sentiments that this is little more than a flaming bash thread intended to be an assault on a man and his supporters character instead of a discussion of statements he made.

[mossomo]

Originally Posted by TnHilltopper

I think one can make a plausible argument that the CIA has preformed a coup

I think a good arguement can be that Ron Pauls use of the word coup is an exaggeration and used purposely to stir and aggitate his base. Like I stated, he's pandering to his base. There was no coup and the CIA doesn't control everything which is why I concluded, "the lunacy of Ron Paul".

since its role in the war on terror allows it a latitude that no other single agency in our government has

The CIA was running around Cambodia and Laos conducting special ops during the Vietnam War, their latitude to play their hand is nothing new and not deserving any parallels with a coup.

So thus I think I can reasonably assume my first sentiments that this is little more than a flaming bash thread intended to be an assault on a man and his supporters character instead of a discussion of statements he made.

There is truth to that, as I think Ron Paul is a bit nutty and a sensationalist kind of like a shock jock saying things for attention type - which is pretty much my point.

And I predicated a debate with you by asking four questions. You discount the questions and say they are off topic but by answering them, the audience would have known exactly were you stood in the war on terror and your position if you believe the president runs the country or the CIA - staging your opinions within the context of those four questions would leave the audience a good understanding of the direction you come from in how/why you form your conclusions the way you do.

[mossomo]

Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry

mr manky?

Errr Mr.Mackey

mr mackey drugs are bad - Google Search

Why are we asking these type of questions?

No one asks those questions except peaceniks and American detractors. Kind of like the bible quotes on the gun sights, there were no problems with it with any host country for over 18 years - there were no issues until the libs interjected and invented a problem.

That is the reason I asked those four questions. Shows which camp you're in. If you believe in miranda rights for the enemy, my money is that you do not believe in war, you also do not believe in American exceptionalism and therefore as a country, you believe we over step the line in global affairs. It's no wonder then why this camp would believe the "CIA had a coup and is in control of everything".

[summers73]

Originally Posted by mossomo

you believe we over step the line in global affairs

Only whackjobs like Newt and Hillary don't believe this.