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Old 01-22-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Thank you for the link. It's always interseting to read news from long ago. What is missing from the article is a Reagan quote in which he blames previous office holders. Go ahead, read it again. There is no such quote.
Are you serious? There is no quotation marks with his exact words? You resort to silliness in order to defend your earlier comment that Reagan never blamed Dems for the his mess? He did it all the time. Of course he did. Every president does. Who cares?
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:10 AM
 
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Unfortunately Reagan never had a Republican House. That would have to wait until 1994, but when that did happen the balanced budget was realized just a few years later. It took shutting the government down twice to force Clinton to agree to the spending cuts Gingrich wanted, but in the end it was well worth it. Credit Reagan with the peace dividends Bush and Clinton enjoyed after the Soviet Union collapsed.

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Notice the unprecedented spike at the end of the graph.
I noticed you used a graph that doesn't include the fact that obama prevented a full blown depression from occurring in the first place. That said, WHY would the <formerly known as> fiscal conservative party be running up debts in boon times? Reagan years boon times paid by credit card. 8 yrs of Bush boon times, and my fanny is in hock to communist china.

I credit reagan with some very profound cost saving measures like dated base closures phased out over the span of a decade or better so it wouldn't pinch so hard. It was a bipartisan agreement, but come campaign time, for some odd reason, R's blamed clinton for the plan signed by reagan. Sure, Clinton agreed with Reagan, as did I, as did libertarians, but R's didn't want to take credit. Instead it was used as a tool to blame D's robbing/ disrespecting our troops. This naturally fools military personnel, because as everyone knows, only R's are in service to their country, not D's or Indies.

Yes folks, you heard that right, R's did something unpopular with their base, then blamed the other guy for what they did on their watch.
Military Base Closures: A Historical Review from 1988 to 1995

The spin is now a reliable formula. By their own assertions at no point have R's been responsible for anything but sunshine for over century.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:10 AM
 
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He did not whine because he did not care. Reagan was a buffoon like Bush that could only see his tunnel vision of the world. Everything to Reagan was black and white good and evil and it is not that way. Reagan did not bring down the soviets at all, he just happened to be dancing with them when the stumbled. Reagan was a sword rattler and war monger who held this improvable and with our any qualification boundaries that the USA was the greatest country in the world which it is not and could not be. Reagan was a fool who just happened to come in when the country felt low about itself and gave everything to the corps. like bush.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:14 AM
 
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Would have been nice if Reagan had a Republican House at some point. Reagan got his tax cuts but the House never agreed to cut spending. That would only happen after the 1994 midterms.
Actually Reagan pushed for more spending, and they approved it.

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Old 01-22-2010, 08:16 AM
 
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This article makes shows that REAGAN actually inherited a worse economy, yet, I don't remember him whining about it.


Washington Times - RAHN: The experiment
Carter left Reagan a bigger mess, hands down.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:24 AM
 
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He did not whine because he did not care. Reagan was a buffoon like Bush that could only see his tunnel vision of the world. Everything to Reagan was black and white good and evil and it is not that way. Reagan did not bring down the soviets at all, he just happened to be dancing with them when the stumbled. Reagan was a sword rattler and war monger who held this improvable and with our any qualification boundaries that the USA was the greatest country in the world which it is not and could not be. Reagan was a fool who just happened to come in when the country felt low about itself and gave everything to the corps. like bush.
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Deflection alert!!

So which president can claim to have help bring the USSR down, was it Carter, or Bush Sr.? Or maybe the threat of a Bill Clinton presidency? ROFL
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:40 AM
 
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Deflection alert!!

So which president can claim to have help bring the USSR down, was it Carter, or Bush Sr.? Or maybe the threat of a Bill Clinton presidency? ROFL
It was Michail Gorbatshow.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:43 AM
 
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It was Michail Gorbatshow.
“Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy, and he achieved his goal,” this was said by Gennady Gerasimov, who served as top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign Ministry during the 1980s.
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Old 01-22-2010, 10:35 AM
 
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“Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy, and he achieved his goal,” this was said by Gennady Gerasimov, who served as top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign Ministry during the 1980s.
To answer the question earlier, the answer is Michail Gorbatchow. Reagan happened to be in office when Gorbatchow was pulling the plug on commumism in USSR.
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Old 01-22-2010, 10:56 AM
 
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Reagan knew to flood the consumer with cash (via tax breaks, reducing gov (non military) to encourage economic growth

Obama is making the opposite move , taking money from the consumer via higher taxes and increasing gov spending

It's no wonder 15 million americans are out of work and 77% of US investors view him as anti business
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